sheepyvillian Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, darrenm said: Not very much if you think we were hanging on for dear life in the second half Okay ,holding on ,that better for you ? It was kind of rhetorical ,but never mind , it's like a man once said : " don't concentrate on the finger as you will miss all that heavenly glory " . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Okay ,holding on ,that better for you ? It was kind of rhetorical ,but never mind , it's like a man once said : " don't concentrate on the finger as you will miss all that heavenly glory " . I get what you're saying. But hanging on for dear life is a bit much even if it is rhetorical. No one else knows that. I'd personally say that holding on is a bit much too. They were hardly peppering our goal with shots. I'll take your word for the proverb :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 3 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: Hanging on for dear life ,which is what we did for the whole of the second half , is not my view of being competitive . I can t accept us not even attempting to be on the front foot , against such opposition ,and I believe our history and tradition demands that attitude ,but what do I know ? What game was this then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 hours ago, praisedmambo said: There's been talk about RDM being unlucky and Bruce being lucky. I'd say there's more than a decent argument that RDM was lucky—we should have been spanked in a lot of those games where we managed to get points. Anyway, we've finally started looking like a competitive team again, for the first time in about 4 years (ok when Sherwood first turned up). i will give Bruce the benefit of the doubt and say he is responsible for some improvement over the 4 games. However, it's a small sample and I believe even so we were lucky to get points in the Wolves and SHA games (especially the former), and we could easily be looking at a rather poor initial points haul. I think any luck in RDMs results would have evened itself out, he had long enough for that. Onwards and upwards... I hope we'll all be able to agree Bruce has done an excellent job after the next half dozen games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 After hearing Yorkes comments I hope he isnt planning to bring him in as a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 12 hours ago, Demitri_C said: After hearing Yorkes comments I hope he isnt planning to bring him in as a coach Yeah he is another one that can keep the **** away. Useless dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 On 03/11/2016 at 12:37, Demitri_C said: After hearing Yorkes comments I hope he isnt planning to bring him in as a coach what comments 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 49 minutes ago, Richard said: what comments Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Richard said: what comments There was a story on the mail where he was praising Bruce and he sent him a text congratulating him for getting villa job, and implying might open the door for opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 What's his record like for playing youth players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyavfc Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 57 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: What's his record like for playing youth players? Brought an 18 year old Jordan Henderson into the Sunderland team and made him a regular starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Steve Bruce famous novelist? Here's a bit of fun if you can drag yourselves away from agonising over the difference between "hanging on" and "holding on" and whether Brucey should immediately bring Carles back as team captain... According to the BBC, Steve wrote and published three detective thrillers when he was manager of Huddersfield. The star is a handsome and successful football manager... I've just quoted a couple of paras - it's a very long article, but worth a read if you fancy a chuckle. Quote Steve Bruce: Inside the literary career of Aston Villa's manager By Ciaran McCauleyBBC News NI 2 hours ago From the sectionNorthern Ireland Share Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionAston Villa manager Steve Bruce's foray into the world of crime fiction was largely forgotten about until Seamas O'Reilly's review of Striker! Spoiler alert: The following contains plot details from Steve Bruce's trilogy of crime thriller novels Striker!, Sweeper! And Defender! If you have the means to get your hands on these out-of-print rarities and don't want to find out how Sherlockian football manager Steve Barnes foils everyone from Irish terrorists to rogue Mossad agents then do not read on… Steve Bruce - you know him right? Football manager and Manchester United hero. A league-winning captain and no-nonsense centre half who was arguably the best to never play for his country. But there's more to Bruce, a hidden depth of literary aspiration. A little-known alternative career that involved plotting murder-most-foul instead of just plotting how to win three points at the weekend. Meet Steve Bruce, crime writer. In 1999, Bruce published three little-read but increasingly-sought after books of football-centric murder and mayhem - Striker!, Sweeper! and Defender! While the novels have long been known, and described by Bruce himself as a "laughing stock", they remerged recently thanks to the work of Northern Ireland-born writer, and self-professed expert on Steve Bruce's literary career, Seamas O'Reilly. Image copyrightSEAMAS O'REILLY Image captionThe dead striker on the cover of the book appears to be a giant Spurred on by an interest in "really terrible books", he was inspired to seek out the rare novels, despite some copies costing upwards of £100 online. Thanks to some help through social media appeals, Seamas was able to get a hold of all three. His resultant reviews proved so popular they were published by football site The Set Pieces, even attracting the attention of football podcasts broadcast by The Guardian and the Irish Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 2 November 2016 at 18:25, Villan_of_oz said: Havnt seen me ole mate around for a while. He must be on holidays with no internet connection Correct Majorca to be exact. Checked out the AVFC OS once and found out SB was in Went back to the beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Once Bruce has us promoted and we wan't to kick on towards the top of the Premier League (and the world), because that was the plan, right? I think I've found the one to replace him with. Hoffenheim manager Julian Nagelsmann, still only 29 years old, so if it takes Bruce 10 years to get us promoted Julian will still be young and upcoming. There is a great article in one of the Swedish tabloids today, but since it's in Swedish I'll link to another one that was in The Guardian. Really exciting manager this, one to follow for sure. Quote Not so long ago, Julian Nagelsmann turned up in the Munich suburb of Giesing for a job interview with a difference: he, the twenty-something coaching prodigy, was sounding out FC Bayern, not the other way around. The German champions, eager to appoint Germany’s most promising young trainer as their U23 team manager, pulled out all the stops. Chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge and sporting director Matthias Sammer welcomed him personally at Säbener Strasse. Pep Guardiola, too, dropped in on him, offering kind words and a nice pat on the back. Nagelsmann wasn’t swayed by the Red’s charm offensive, however. He preferred the clear path laid out for him in Kraichgau to the glamour of Bavaria. After taking TSG Hoffenheim’s U19s to the Bundesliga championship in 2013-14 and another appearance in the final a year later, the powers at 1899 secretly made up their mind that the Landsberg-born former TSV 1860 player would take over the seniors ahead of the 2016/17 season. The rise of TSG Hoffenheim: from ninth-tier amateurs to the Bundesliga Read more However, Hoffenheim’s carefully laid plans for his career progression were scuppered by a horrible drop down the table and experienced coach Huub Stevens having to resign with a heart complaint after the winter-break. Nagelsmann promotion was fast-tracked to the first-team job in February, to a combination of universal disbelief and doubt. He was 28 years old at the time, and the team sponsored by software magnate Dietmar Hopp – 17th place in the table, five points adrift of the relegation play-off spot – were well on their way to a first abstieg (descent) from the top flight. Local paper Rhein-Neckar-Zeitung dismissed the appointment of the Bundesliga’s youngest full-time manager as a “public relations stunt”. “A crackpot idea” was Frankfurter Rundschau’s verdict. The idea has turned out a pretty good one though. After saving Hoffenheim from the drop in May, Nagelsmann has continued to find success at a rate (39 points in 22 games) that’s only bettered by the Bundesliga’s big two. A 3-0 win at ten-man Bayer 04 Leverkusen on Saturday saw him leapfrog Roger Schmidt’s team in the “Nagelsmann table” of points won since his appointment eight months ago. “There’s a hint of Champions League in the air,” Kicker magazine wrote last week. The rather straightforward win against a Leverkusen team was depleted within six minutes at the BayArena – TSG old boy Kevin Volland brought down Kerem Demirbay with an ill-timed tackle outside the box – lifted unbeaten Hoffenheim into fourth spot in the table, four points behind leaders Bayern. Their unexpected position chimes with the main story of the season so far, the surprising rise up the table by lesser lights such as newly-promoted RB Leipzig (second), Hertha (third), Köln (fifth), Frankfurt (seventh) and Freiburg (eighth) at the expense of the establishment. That doesn’t make it any easier to explain, however. Hoffenheim lost Germany international Volland, their best attacking player, in the summer, and spent relatively little on journeymen such as Kerem Demirbay and Lukas Rupp, as well as €3m (plus bonuses) on striker Sandro Wagner, previously of Darmstadt. There’s no Roberto Firmino, Carlos Eduardo or Luiz Gustavo in a squad that screams mid-table. What they have, though, is fantastic togetherness (“we’re a super unit,” said Demirbay) – and a young man on the touchline who’s been able to supplement technical know-how with a well-developed sense of man-management. “Thirty per cent of coaching is tactics, 70% social competence,” he told Süddeutsche Zeitung in August, “every player is motivated by different things and needs to be addressed accordingly. At this level, the quality of the players at your disposal will ensure that you play well within a good tactical set-up – if the psychological condition is right.” Nagelsmann was forced to the sidelines early on. Aged 20, he picked up a knee injury that ended his career while playing for Augsburg’s second team, coached by Thomas Tuchel. Tuchel got Nagelsmann involved scouting the opposition, before appointing him as coach to 1860’s U17s. At Hoffenheim, he worked as assistant coach of the first team before taking charge of the second side and finishing a degree in sport science. The self-avowed chocaholic admits to having been nervous ahead of his first team talk back in February but has since worked out that pre-match words should be short and few. The real coaching happens during the week, as he constantly tries out new things (“we will only repeat one specific exercise a few times every year”) and finds out which buttons need pushing. “I work like a baker,” he said, “I mix things, put them in the oven and see if I like what comes out.” Hoffenheim appoint 28-year-old Julian Nagelsmann as head coach Read more Consequently, his brand of football is hard to pin down. Like all coaches of his generation, he’s been heavily influenced by Ralf Rangnick’s pressing game, but he’s not dogmatic. “Rangnick’s] Leipzig themselves underwent an interesting development in the second division (last season),” Nagelsmann told spox.com. “In the beginning, they almost provoked situations where they lost the ball, in order to win it back again (in dangerous situations). But most opponents were so deep that they didn’t have a chance to do that. They had to adjust. I put a lot of emphasis on our behaviour when we don’t have possession but I will never provoke a loss of the ball. You need both things today, solutions with the ball, as well as well as without it.” His Hoffenheim have enjoyed the sixth-highest possession stats (53.7 per cent on average) in the league, a departure of the radical transition football played under most of his predecessors. He considers formations largely irrelevant – “it’s a question of five or 10 metres whether it’s a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-2-1; you only see teams adhering to that at kick-off and perhaps eight times during the game” – but doesn’t let much on by way of specifics, beyond the revelation that his staff collect highly-specialised data, for example the time players spend in the deckungsschatten (literally: the shade of marking), unable to receive a ball because the opponents are blocking the passing lane. Nagelsmann’s profile has risen so rapidly that not everybody’s enamoured. Roger Schmidt was sent off on Saturday after shouting at his colleague to “shut up and sit down”, with a snide-y “you think you’ve invented football, do you?” thrown in for good measure. Nagelsmann accepted Schmidt’s apology (“we talked about it, it’s over”) with characteristic confidence. His employers are under no illusions as to how this chapter will end. “Hoffenheim will be too small for him soon,” Hopp said a couple of weeks ago. Maybe another job interview at Säbener Strasse is not too far away either. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/24/julian-nagelsmann-hoffenheim-prodigy-thomas-tuchel-rejected-bayern-munich Edited November 5, 2016 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 What a man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villarocker Posted November 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2016 I couldn't give a flying fook how he does his business but, can we PLEASE all unite alongside this man and just support him. He's given us 11 points from 15 and made us unbeaten in 5 games. They are stats we have only dreamt about for the last few years. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 1 minute ago, villarocker said: I couldn't give a flying fook how he does his business but, can we PLEASE all unite alongside this man and just support him. He's given us 11 points from 15 and made us unbeaten in 5 games. They are stats we have only dreamt about for the last few years. I wonder how far back we'd have to look to see when we last managed either of those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 This is massive before the international break. I'll call it now, we'll beat Brighton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_bouma Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 When was the last time we came from behind to win? Since Bruce too over in just 5 games he has managed to get us our first away win in about year and a half, our first back to back wins in about a year and a half and now a win from behind in probably about 3 years! Well done Steven 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 11 points from 15. Very happy so far. Keep it going Bruce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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