markavfc40 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DK82 said: Only Agbonlahor and Hutton are allowed a second (third and fourth) chance. Veretout is not allowed a second chance. I agree in terms of Gabby. I don't remember Hutton needing a second chance as can't remember him being anything other than a model pro. Veretout has done nothing wrong either as far as I can tell other than being honest about wanting out. That is fine as the club knows where it stands and can help to move him on. If that is no longer the case though and he is 100% committed then great. Edited July 7, 2017 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 55 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I agree in terms of Gabby. I don't remember Hutton needing a second chance as can't remember him being anything other than a model pro. Veretout has done nothing wrong either as far as I can tell other than being honest about wanting out. That is fine as the club knows where it stands and can help to move him on. If that is no longer the case though and he is 100% committed then great. That was my point about Hutton, poor for four years and given a chance for a short period of decent form (mistakes overlooked for good passion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinte_Pest Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I just hope if/when he is sold , we hold out for least £7m , the transfer market is crazy this year, if he was being sold by Stoke to Crystal Palace( and that's probably his level )he would go for £20m. Gill I'd take what we can get just because I don't think think he is worth very much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Meh, still don't think he'll ever cut it outside of France 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 13 hours ago, Infinte_Pest said: I just hope if/when he is sold , we hold out for least £7m , the transfer market is crazy this year, if he was being sold by Stoke to Crystal Palace( and that's probably his level )he would go for £20m. Gill I'd take what we can get just because I don't think think he is worth very much. Depends if there's any prem interest (wasn't there talk of Bournemouth last year?) If we're just selling back to France as I suspect we'll do very well to get close to that amount unless PSG or Marseille want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted July 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2017 18 hours ago, BOF said: We can send Nantes Bacuna in a Veretout mask. It might just be crazy enough to work. They'd never expect it. A like for the first thing to make me laugh today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted July 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2017 If hes willing to play, then I'd definitely give him a go. With an actual defence behind him he could be really useful in a midfield 5. I doubt he'll be too happy dropping down a level though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 He just needs to knuckle down and get a pair of balls, the big baby. Contracts are a two way thing, we are still a bigger club than Nantes, even in the Championship. He still has three years left, he could still develop and get a much bigger move in time. Hell, he might even start enjoying himself if he stopped playing to type (French). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) If he genuinely had an awful time here, which seems to be the case, then you could understand him not wanting to be here, in fact just stepping onto the training pitch could bring back some pretty bad memories and cause a lot of anxiety. I wasn't a fan of him, I thought he was extremely weak on the ball and very unfit, unable to play more than 60 minutes at Premier League level. But he did have pretty good distribution and did create record a decent amount of assists given the amount of games he played. With better fitness, I actually think he could be one of the best players in his position in the Championship. For that to happen, Bruce will have to deploy him centrally in a playmaker role. In my opinion, a fit and motivated Veretout will be a much better player than someone like Hourihane, and better than most of the players out there we could sign for a stupidly inflated fee. Edited July 8, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted July 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: If he genuinely had an awful time here, which seems to be the case, then you could understand him not wanting to be here, in fact just stepping onto the training pitch could bring back some pretty bad memories and cause a lot of anxiety. I wasn't a fan of him, I thought he was extremely weak on the ball and very unfit, unable to play more than 60 minutes at Premier League level. But he did have pretty good distribution and did create record a decent amount of assists given the amount of games he played. With better fitness, I actually think he could be one of the best players in his position in the Championship. For that to happen, Bruce will have to deploy him centrally in a playmaker role. In my opinion, a fit and motivated Veretout will be a much better player than someone like Hourihane, and better than most of the players out there we could sign for a stupidly inflated fee. A like for not saying he was shit and a disgraceful footballer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I really want him to stay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I def think he can do a good job for us, its just down to if he wants to really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think if he had stayed last season we would have made the playoffs He would have fit in well when Jedinak got injured and could play that role easily we would have got more points 100% Rather we keep him than sign Whelan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, dounavilla said: I def think he can do a good job for us, its just down to if he wants to really. I think he would be professional enough to do a job if he doesn't get a move. I can see another last minute loan deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Head and shoulders above Lansbury in tonight's game (not that it means all that much). Still worried about his fitness, he always seemed knackered after 60 mins in a competitive match. Good to see him playing though, who knows, he might be useful this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, AshVilla said: I think if he had stayed last season we would have made the playoffs He would have fit in well when Jedinak got injured and could play that role easily we would have got more points 100% Rather we keep him than sign Whelan After seeing him in zero championship games you think he could have been the difference between 13th and playoff places!! Serious?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: After seeing him in zero championship games you think he could have been the difference between 13th and playoff places!! Serious?? He's better than Gardner, Bacuna and Tshibola who were all thrown in at some point during the season to fill Jedinak's boots when he got injured. Look at the stats on how many games we won when Jedinak was injured and how many points we picked up when the above played in his position. We were not far off the play offs and threw a lot of points away from winning positions, Ipswich, Nottingham Forest, Preston e.t.c. He can also play in Hourihane or Lansbury's position as well try reading this article. https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2017/7/5/15923714/the-case-for-jordan-veretout-at-aston-villa Edited July 12, 2017 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Still think it's a big call without seeing what he could do in this league. Even Ayew looked shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, AshVilla said: He's better than Gardner, Bacuna and Tshibola who were all thrown in at some point during the season to fill Jedinak's boots when he got injured. Look at the stats on how many games we won when Jedinak was injured and how many points we picked up when the above played in his position. We were not far off the play offs and threw a lot of points away from winning positions, Ipswich, Nottingham Forest, Preston e.t.c. He can also play in Hourihane or Lansbury's position as well try reading this article. https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2017/7/5/15923714/the-case-for-jordan-veretout-at-aston-villa Good article but I disagree that the top 10 teams in France are better than than the top teams of the championship. Psg and Monaco are head and shoulders above. The rest are very average to poor. I would say overall the Championship is a much stronger league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Good article but I disagree that the top 10 teams in France are better than than the top teams of the championship. Psg and Monaco are head and shoulders above. The rest are very average to poor. I would say overall the Championship is a much stronger league. Disagree 100% I'd say it's not even close, not by a mile. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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