AshVilla Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We really did dodge a bullet by not signing him permanently last summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 3, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2015 If lambert allows him to go forward instead of worrying about tracking back he wouldn't be half as bad. There is no reason Cleverley shouldn't be in box taking chances other than Lambert's Defensive (McLeish) tactics. They are destroying our attacking intent!! In reality he is not Man U quality no, but he is good enough to us if let of the leach a bit!!! Nonsense. He's never been a goalscorer in any team. Are you calling Alex Ferguson defensive as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 If lambert allows him to go forward instead of worrying about tracking back he wouldn't be half as bad. There is no reason Cleverley shouldn't be in box taking chances other than Lambert's Defensive (McLeish) tactics. They are destroying our attacking intent!! In reality he is not Man U quality no, but he is good enough to us if let of the leach a bit!!! Nonsense. He's never been a goalscorer in any team. Are you calling Alex Ferguson defensive as well? He scored 10+ at Watford, but no i agree with you. He's never going to be that type of player at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We really did dodge a bullet by not signing him permanently last summer That's assuming we're not obliged to pay it in January as part of the deal that was just hidden behind a loan to get through the window. I bloody hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I would like to see him go past a player and have a shot tomorrow. It's not asking that much for a midfielder to do that once in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) We really did dodge a bullet by not signing him permanently last summer Don't count ya chickens just yet, Still got 4 weeks left in this window pal! Edited January 3, 2015 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The loan fee was probably a good chunk, so it's probably not a matter of saving 8 million if we don't buy him this month. We probably would have to pay off the rest if we want to keep him. £4/5 million pounds to have him on our books for another three seasons probably is an ok deal, rather than losing him at the end of the season, having spent £3/4 million pounds for the privilege of having him here for this season with a view to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hmm you raise some interesting points but I genuinely don't think he is worth another £4m/£5m to sign on a long term contract. I highly doubt we will ever find out but i'm curious if the club are paying all the wages and if not how much of a percentage and what the loan fee is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I would like to see him go past a player and have a shot tomorrow. It's not asking that much for a midfielder to do that once in a game. ^ This (assuming he has to play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The loan fee was probably a good chunk, so it's probably not a matter of saving 8 million if we don't buy him this month. We probably would have to pay off the rest if we want to keep him. £4/5 million pounds to have him on our books for another three seasons probably is an ok deal, rather than losing him at the end of the season, having spent £3/4 million pounds for the privilege of having him here for this season with a view to buy. Plenty of "probably"s there! 3m to £4m for a one season loan fee is doubtful in my opinion. If the total amount is £8m, I'd have thought it was made up of £1m loan plus £7m signing on fee, certainly no worse than £2m plus £6m. Should we cough up another £6m or so to keep TC permanently? Not from what I've witnessed this half season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The loan fee was probably a good chunk, so it's probably not a matter of saving 8 million if we don't buy him this month. We probably would have to pay off the rest if we want to keep him. £4/5 million pounds to have him on our books for another three seasons probably is an ok deal, rather than losing him at the end of the season, having spent £3/4 million pounds for the privilege of having him here for this season with a view to buy. Plenty of "probably"s there! 3m to £4m for a one season loan fee is doubtful in my opinion. If the total amount is £8m, I'd have thought it was made up of £1m loan plus £7m signing on fee, certainly no worse than £2m plus £6m. Should we cough up another £6m or so to keep TC permanently? Not from what I've witnessed this half season. I suppose it just depends on the nature of the August deal. I got the impression at the time that the deal was pretty much done, but couldn't be pushed through in time for deadline, so they made it a loan, but with a big loan fee which was a first installment in a future fee. All speculation - I just won't be too surprised if we end up making it permanent this January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The loan fee was probably a good chunk, so it's probably not a matter of saving 8 million if we don't buy him this month. We probably would have to pay off the rest if we want to keep him. £4/5 million pounds to have him on our books for another three seasons probably is an ok deal, rather than losing him at the end of the season, having spent £3/4 million pounds for the privilege of having him here for this season with a view to buy. Plenty of "probably"s there! 3m to £4m for a one season loan fee is doubtful in my opinion. If the total amount is £8m, I'd have thought it was made up of £1m loan plus £7m signing on fee, certainly no worse than £2m plus £6m. Should we cough up another £6m or so to keep TC permanently? Not from what I've witnessed this half season. I suppose it just depends on the nature of the August deal. I got the impression at the time that the deal was pretty much done, but couldn't be pushed through in time for deadline, so they made it a loan, but with a big loan fee which was a first installment in a future fee. All speculation - I just won't be too surprised if we end up making it permanent this January. I agree that the terms were far from clear. I'm currently clinging to the hope that the recent media release stating TC is 'considering his options' is enabling TC to save face whilst the club decides not to take up the option to buy. #clutchingatstraws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulfromsutton Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say we aren't committed to buying TC contractually as we are a few days into the window I think it would have happened by now so we clearly have a choice of if to sign him which wasn't clear before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say we aren't committed to buying TC contractually as we are a few days into the window I think it would have happened by now so we clearly have a choice of if to sign him which wasn't clear before I agree. Lambert doesn't seem too keen on spending a large portion of his transfer budget on cleverly. I think if we could get cleverly for free in the summer, then we should. He is not worth a transfer fee but he can be a valuable addition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say there's a good chance the terms of the loan prevent us from signing him for free in the summer without having to pay Man U some money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 4, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say we aren't committed to buying TC contractually as we are a few days into the window I think it would have happened by now so we clearly have a choice of if to sign him which wasn't clear before That is exactly right. Lambert has the option to sign him for a agreed fee this month, it isn't an obligation. I don't think we will sign him permanently this window personally, we may or may not come the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 From the sounds of it today he wasn't great - I was quite complimentary about him after 3 games for us and I thought he was going to push on from that and start chipping in with goals and assists, but he seems to have become stuck in his shell and unable to come out. As has been said I don't think there's any agreement or it would have been signed and completed on the 1st, so I really hope we don't make this permanent. Use the money on something we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd say we aren't committed to buying TC contractually as we are a few days into the window I think it would have happened by now so we clearly have a choice of if to sign him which wasn't clear before That is exactly right. Lambert has the option to sign him for a agreed fee this month, it isn't an obligation. I don't think we will sign him permanently this window personally, we may or may not come the summer. Thank god for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He must be one of the most disappointing signings we've ever had. Maybe I was too hopeful in the first place but he has added absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I'd say there's a good chance the terms of the loan prevent us from signing him for free in the summer without having to pay Man U some moneyI would be fairly sure that would be illegal given that tom cleverly would no longer have any connection to man United once his contract expires. Also there is no valid reason villa or any club would agree to a clause like that as they would be behind any other club that was interested and not subject to the Clause. Edited January 4, 2015 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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