PieFacE Posted January 11, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2015 He's a solid defender. We shouldn't be relying on him to provide the wide crosses we need. A big reason our defence is so much better this year. He's a solid defender. We shouldn't be relying on him to provide the wide crosses we need. A big reason our defence is so much better this year. Agree with this. Expecting him and Hutton to provide crosses into the box is just stupid. We need our midfielders to provide width. not the full backs. You don't expect our full backs to provide crosses or provide width? Lets go home. Cresswell and Jenkinson Baines and Coleman Luis (when plays) and Ivanovic Even Alan Wright and Mark Delaney!! The above all provide crosses. Let alone providing width, look at Clichy for example, he rarely crosses but always provides width! Both with Cissoko and Hutton, they are too slow when we get the ball to get wide quickly. Like everything else on the pitch, it's just far too slow! Not primarily no. I'd expect our midfielders to provide width. Fullbacks can come and back the midfielders up and offer additional width with overlaps. But currently, our midfield plays so narrow the only width comes from full backs, and it isnt working. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCarew Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 He's a solid defender. We shouldn't be relying on him to provide the wide crosses we need. A big reason our defence is so much better this year. He's a solid defender. We shouldn't be relying on him to provide the wide crosses we need. A big reason our defence is so much better this year. Agree with this. Expecting him and Hutton to provide crosses into the box is just stupid. We need our midfielders to provide width. not the full backs. You don't expect our full backs to provide crosses or provide width? Lets go home. Cresswell and Jenkinson Baines and Coleman Luis (when plays) and Ivanovic Even Alan Wright and Mark Delaney!! The above all provide crosses. Let alone providing width, look at Clichy for example, he rarely crosses but always provides width! Both with Cissoko and Hutton, they are too slow when we get the ball to get wide quickly. Like everything else on the pitch, it's just far too slow! Not primarily no. I'd expect our midfielders to provide width. Fullbacks can come and back the midfielders up and offer additional width with overlaps. But currently, our midfield plays so narrow the only width comes from full backs, and it isnt working. It can work both ways though. Again I'll refer to Everton. I know they arent having the best of seasons! However, what tended to happen was Barry would almost drop in to a back 3 when the full backs pushed on and given the license. Then the Everton wingers would come in field slightly leaving the space down the flanks for the full backs. The 2 problems are a) our full backs aren't there quick enough and b ) we don't really play with wingers!! Think we can all agree we need something on the wings! (Bit of a sad git when analysing). Aly started well, and has dropped off significantly in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 We are asking Ally to do things he is not good at. Like take players on all the time. He would play so much better if he had a wide midfielder in front of him. Having said that he isn't a top quality combination player. His main attribute is his strength and height in my opinion. Making him defensively sound. Though he does occasionally switch off while defending, and get wrong side of the winger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The stuff above about Everton and Barry dropping into a back 3 when the full backs push up is all well and good, but that would require tactical forethought. What's that got to do with Hutton and Cissokho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Far too much responsibility is passed on to Aly and Hutton.They are our only source of width in the team, and they are expected to get the ball wide, beat a player and put a cross over, that is not their game.They both make good runs, but Cleverley, Joe Cole and Gabby did nothing yday, that is our problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 He's a solid defender. We shouldn't be relying on him to provide the wide crosses we need. A big reason our defence is so much better this year. He's a solid defender. We shouldn't be relying on him to provide the wide crosses we need. A big reason our defence is so much better this year. Agree with this. Expecting him and Hutton to provide crosses into the box is just stupid. We need our midfielders to provide width. not the full backs. You don't expect our full backs to provide crosses or provide width? Lets go home. Cresswell and Jenkinson Baines and Coleman Luis (when plays) and Ivanovic Even Alan Wright and Mark Delaney!! The above all provide crosses. Let alone providing width, look at Clichy for example, he rarely crosses but always provides width! Both with Cissoko and Hutton, they are too slow when we get the ball to get wide quickly. Like everything else on the pitch, it's just far too slow! Not primarily no. I'd expect our midfielders to provide width. Fullbacks can come and back the midfielders up and offer additional width with overlaps. But currently, our midfield plays so narrow the only width comes from full backs, and it isnt working. It can work both ways though. Again I'll refer to Everton. I know they arent having the best of seasons! However, what tended to happen was Barry would almost drop in to a back 3 when the full backs pushed on and given the license. Then the Everton wingers would come in field slightly leaving the space down the flanks for the full backs. The 2 problems are a) our full backs aren't there quick enough and b ) we don't really play with wingers!! Think we can all agree we need something on the wings! (Bit of a sad git when analysing). Aly started well, and has dropped off significantly in my opinion. True, and a good analysis. Cissokho was really shite yesterday. But I do feel that, again, the problem is less the player and more the system. His limitations going forward were widely remarked-upon when we signed him. It was his early season for that was unusual, not his current ineptitude. He needs to be playing in a system where crossing and width is provided from midfield, and he can concentrate on tackling (admittedly, he also did that badly yesterday) - Leighton Baines he isn't. Ultimately, my mild defence of him stems from exhaustion at the mere prospect of having to sign another f***ing left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) This guy is turning out to be the player i thought he was when we bought him. He was by far the worst of our 10 players( stopped counting Agbonlahor long time ago) and was at fault of the goal. When he gets it in the final 3rd he might as well just boot it over the end line, least he wont get caught up the pitch when his cross doesnt beat the first man. He used to be able to defend a bit but that has now gone to **** as well. Sherwood definitely has his number. Bound to be a right back we can call up from the reserves if richards is badly hurt. (Nobody mention Bennet by the way) Edited February 21, 2015 by HeyAnty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Delph was more at fault for the goal for me. Cissokho got easily bullied, but he stopped his man from turning in to the box. Delph makes some weird run off Ireland in an attempt (I presume?) to win the ball, ends up in no man's land and Ireland has the space to cross it in to Diouf (great ball, mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Think i'd rather play Bacuna at LB than this guy based on today's peformance At least he can cut in and have a shot with his right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Delph was more at fault for the goal for me. Cissokho got easily bullied, but he stopped his man from turning in to the box. Delph makes some weird run off Ireland in an attempt (I presume?) to win the ball, ends up in no man's land and Ireland has the space to cross it in to Diouf (great ball, mind). He was at fault to but Cissokho let his man get the ball to easy and didnt put any pressure on to let him get the easy lay off. I dont remember Bacuna playing left back much, more right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midian Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 When he came on for Richardson it changed the game great going forward but terrible defenender,summed up by my 4 year old at his 1st game as "Whos that player there hes rubbish" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 4 words! "Can't cross for shit." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 This guy isn't a full back IMO. He's a CB that got stuck out wide, reminds me a lot of Cuellar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think he's the worst left back in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Not sure how sherwood is gonna do it, but staying in the Prem will start with not using this guy and Hutton as Creative full backs. Huttons not to bad but Sissokho cannot create shit. Every cross he makes is useless. All them crosses throughout the season and not one assist speaks volumes. Get him out of there. One positive was Sherwood knows this and the sub for Richardson was forced. Edited February 22, 2015 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 We're not good at buying left backs are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 We're not good at buying players are we? Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 is it me but when he get the ball he looks hunched up,his back looks arched, not sure how you can get you head up in this posture & pick a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 What the hell is it with our 17 left backs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 On the evidence of yesterday, Richardson should start from here on out. If he's not fit, then Cissokho should be a left-back who never crosses the half-way line. He never does anything good in the opposition half, all that he ever achieves is ending up out of position when the other team counters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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