bobzy Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Just now, DCJonah said: Call me crazy but I'd like players I know can hack it in the premier league to be in the squad when we get promoted. I'd like players who I know can perform at this level to be part of this squad trying to get promoted. If we need to sell Grealish because of money then we're going wrong in our planning somewhere. This would be a terrible decision and really take the shine of such a good window. I'm not sure Grealish has proved this yet tbh. But he's a talent, as I say. Needs time to develop his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 minute ago, bobzy said: I'm not sure Grealish has proved this yet tbh. But he's a talent, as I say. Needs time to develop his game. He hasn't proved he can do it consistently. But he's proved that he's got the ability and talent to perform at that level. We'd be nuts to not try and build on that with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Just now, DCJonah said: He hasn't proved he can do it consistently. But he's proved that he's got the ability and talent to perform at that level. We'd be nuts to not try and build on that with him. Does he start for us with these new signings? I'm not so sure... certainly hope he has a large part to play for the rest of the season, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, Supervillan78 said: His mental toughness and his general attitude. He does appear at times a little immature. He is. He's 21. He has a good 3 or 4 years to improve. In their own respective positions he's still been better for Villa than GG. But in what way does he seem a little immature? Tackling? Chasing the player? Making an early pass? Closing the gap? Holding his position in attack and defence? Dropping his head? Understand runs? Sorry, I still don't quite get it. Rodders0223 said he didn't think he was ruthless enough. And I wouldn't argue there. He misses passes and shooting chances, but again, he's 21 with very few games at either Prem or Championship level. This year he is ghosting past players and committing the tackle well and it was something he started understanding last year. I also like the way he holds his position when on the counter. You can also see he looks for the wide pass to nobody and so takes it through the middle a lot. In attack I feel he is maturing well and understanding how to build relationships. But he still hasn't quite worked out the timing of it all despite showing flashes of class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982 Posted January 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2017 It'd be such short term and small time decision to sell Grealish. He's the best prospect we've had in years and it would send out a terrible message out about the club. We'd rather keep no-marks like Gardner and Westwood and co yet sell one of the country's hottest prospects to a 2 bob club like Boro. It'd also cast a dark shadow over Xia in my opinion. is he really ambitious? This doesn't sound like the actions of an ambitious chairman. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Pleeeeease do not sell Grealish. So much potential and I think players like the ones we brought into the midfield who are known for working hard will influence him for the better. He's only 21 and oozes potential. Get rid of westy or garry first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I believe the Dr. is saying "We know what we must do. I'm a Villa fan like you but I have more experience running a business. If players are good there will be speculation." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Grealish isn't going anywhere. You guys shouldn't panic for no reason. Anyway, with us actually having a midfield now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jack banging in a few more now, as well as assisting more. How many penalties has Jack won this season by the way guys? For people saying he's not been productive enough.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Supervillan78 said: IMO his biggest problem isn't his physicality or his technique, it's his mentality. and that's exactly why I would be OK selling him. I don't think mentality can be coached. I get that many want to give him time to mature. I would argue that time is no guarantee of maturing and he has value now. If I'm right, he will have less and less value as time goes on. If mentality can be coached I know a lot of coaches (and managers) that are inept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: He is. He's 21. He has a good 3 or 4 years to improve. In their own respective positions he's still been better for Villa than GG. But in what way does he seem a little immature? Tackling? Chasing the player? Making an early pass? Closing the gap? Holding his position in attack and defence? Dropping his head? Understand runs? Sorry, I still don't quite get it. Rodders0223 said he didn't think he was ruthless enough. And I wouldn't argue there. He misses passes and shooting chances, but again, he's 21 with very few games at either Prem or Championship level. This year he is ghosting past players and committing the tackle well and it was something he started understanding last year. I also like the way he holds his position when on the counter. You can also see he looks for the wide pass to nobody and so takes it through the middle a lot. In attack I feel he is maturing well and understanding how to build relationships. But he still hasn't quite worked out the timing of it all despite showing flashes of class. IMO he has all the ability in the world but at times he needs a rocket up his arse. He's so frustrating to watch because you know he has the talent but he doesn't always seem to perform at 100%. For what it's worth I'd love him to stay and be a success, I just get this nasty feeling he's going to waste his talent and end up drifting out of the game at the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: and that's exactly why I would be OK selling him. are you mental? 6 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: I don't think mentality can be coached. What? Then anyone studying Phsycology in any field is completely wasting their time 6 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: I get that many want to give him time to mature. I would argue that time is no guarantee of maturing and he has value now. If I'm right, he will have less and less value as time goes on. You are wrong Value is circumstantial IF and a big IF he was to leave ManU/C & Chelsea would break the bank if they thought highly of him or a struggling PL team in desperation would pay whatevers going for a hope/talent 6 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: If mentality can be coached I know a lot of coaches (and managers) that are inept. Absolute Bollox. You obviously dont know the guys at PL & Ch level then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Supervillan78 said: IMO his biggest problem isn't his physicality or his technique, it's his mentality. I agree in past, but he seems to have pulled his socks up with that regard this season. Credit were its due 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We have more money than sense right now, and people want to cash in? Speechless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 what would selling him even achieve, apart from upsetting a large quantity of fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 45 minutes ago, bobzy said: Does he start for us with these new signings? I'm not so sure... certainly hope he has a large part to play for the rest of the season, though. MOre likely to make an impact as a sub - I can't see him getting a starting place . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: are you mental? What? Then anyone studying Phsycology in any field is completely wasting their time You are wrong Value is circumstantial IF and a big IF he was to leave ManU/C & Chelsea would break the bank if they thought highly of him or a struggling PL team in desperation would pay whatevers going for a hope/talent Absolute Bollox. You obviously dont know the guys at PL & Ch level then Wow, I don't find ridicule of someone who disagrees particularly persuasive. But to respond to what I think is the substance of your argument..... I think you are saying that mentality can be coached. Is that correct? If so, I would think we mean different things when we use the word "mentality." Mental health is not the same as the mentality of a successful athlete. We agree that value is circumstantial. Which is why I said that if he fails to realize the potential we see in him, his value will drop (and I expect both will happen). A lot of his current value is in his potential. Read the arguments that support him here and I think you'll see it is a common view. If I'm right and he does not advance toward his potential, the circumstances will have changed and his value will drop. Finally on who I know.... we can compare if you want, but I don't think that's really the point. It seems as if you are under the impression that undermining my credibility is the way to make your point. I don't intend to play tit for tat. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2017 He's the new Lee Hendrie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Through the middle (nr10) best position Even better as an impact sub Like many of our Youth players has suffered not having good experienced pro's around his position on the field. So from now on he has a chance to get on a good learning curve with HL & CH around him and no Hutton, Westwood, Gardner or Bacuna. We gain more by selling any of Westwood, Gardner, Ally & McC - even Tish, Bacuna, Richards & Gaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wait? What? Been off the internet all day.... Don't sell Jack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Grumpy_Lion said: I wouldn't want to lose him in general but especially not this late in the window. Any money we get from him is going to be hard to spend in January now, so if he had to go then early Jan would have been better than we could have sat with perhaps and extra £15 mill to spend on a few players. Maybe the £15m is to balance the books. Sometimes in business you have to make hard decisions - we're stuck with some deadwood so maybe we need to shift someone who might generate some funds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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