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  1. The Great Tower Block Fire of London

    Sadly for you, it is. You have asked pretty much nothing from me that will inform the debate. You'll have to point out things I have said relative to construction which make no sense.....as I said before, you don't do that. You simply do opposition! Which brings us nicely again to your parting and failed point. I'll help everyone which is why I haven't withdrawn from the conversation...whereas twice you have said you are done with talking to me despite me actually having in-depth knowledge I have been sharing for quite some time....about lots of things not just construction. It's a shame for sure....but not my shame. Your only POV when replying to me is opposition, with no compromise on your one sided approach. You can''t even accept that my blame perspective holds any weight and when you do throw accusations you direct it at two figures that are easy to hate. You even questioned, not asked about, the Mayoral powers! It's frustrating but if I can cope with 14 hour days for three years to save the Aston Arena, I can cope with the occasional flurry of facts directed at your entrenched opinion....I know others have benefited from my knowledge as I have benefit from theirs!
  2. UKIP and their non-racist well informed supporters

    Definitely. Stuff like PFI, welfare to work, increase in leasehold properties, focus on university and away from a wider career spectrum, OFSTED, closing of school kitchens and move onto offsite catering, academies etc. etc. were policies which impacted people on the ground and I believe hurt the most. I started my love affair with wasted money when working on a Labour crafted 'helping the hardest to help' contract. It was delivered by the private sector and appalling is too weak a crticism. The worst part was the Conservatives came in and rubbed their hands with glee; it was exactly the mechanism for privatisation they were desperate for but now they had cross party support! Absolute disaster!
  3. UKIP and their non-racist well informed supporters

    I see it slightly differently, though we're not too far apart in the final six words. I always felt it was clear 'to all of those with more than half a brain' that we needed a mix of policy, austerity and spend and that spend/support in certain areas had far outweighed the benefits. Restructuring was needed with an element of austerity, but not austerity across the board. That was exceedingly stupid but local authorities are still culpable, and they continue to cut local services rather than resource draining revenue streams. This mess didn't start a decade ago when the Tories came in, it started well before the new government were left a note to say there was no money!
  4. UKIP and their non-racist well informed supporters

    It was a tongue in cheek comment but for fun; Corbyn's Labour are......if we're going on the accepted academic definition of far-left being the extreme left of a political party or group.......but then accepted academic definitions might also place Western activities as 'terrorism', so meh, I prefer tongue in cheek! But back to the fun; 'New Labour' were basically Conservatives and Corbyn represents an ideology the main party (many elected MP's) rallied against and still rally against, even if they kept their jobs because of it! Under that accepted academic definition he, or the newest Old Labour are 'far-left'. Not so fun
  5. UKIP and their non-racist well informed supporters

    Same reason the far left are. They have an agenda and rhetoric and look for the first opportunity to push that. Those sorts don't care about context or content, just clicks!
  6. The Great Tower Block Fire of London

    This can cover two points above and below! - You express that you have little knowledge whereas I have some. I hope you can simply take my word for it because you don't seem the sort to do research for yourself; or we wouldn't be having this conversation! It was tongue in cheek because you're obsessed with opposing me rather than either accepting I have knowledge you don't, or specifically asking me about a topic! Exactly. The review process is done at very many levels from designer to central govt. Therefore no-one is to blame, yet. We're nowhere near that stage! You're doing it again, blaming others when there is collective fault! The mayor of London has the powers to set up a review, to speak to LA's, to find the funding for improvements and to put conversations onto the agenda....but then for you that's not his job, it's the job of everyone who isn't Labour! Funny he can promise to change planning so we get more affordable homes but he can't change the conversation about fire safety. Meh, I guess one wins votes and the other conversation wins the hearts of non-voters. As we have established and you have confirmed, this isn't your realm so you can either accept facts or keep arguing opposition. Khan could have done more to drive the agenda, especially with so many Labour councils in London. The government could have legislated and that includes all ex-housing ministers (plus shadow ones) AND PM. Local authorities could have imposed planning conditions (the majority of found failed cladding on flats is in Labour councils) The products pass the fire safety test but perhaps not together, That's two conversations and we are just understanding it all now....before we join the blame game! The developer clearly looked to save cash as did the designers but then again, pointS above!!!! McDowell said the residents were - "murdered by political decisions that were taken over recent decades." Thank god the Labour party is moving on and leaving all those horrible entrenched sorts behind! On the last point about 'same government'. Nope. This government is very different than the last, particularly in housing. I look forward to you blaming John Healey too, I really like him, he seems genuine, but under your logic and his experience in DCLG, he should be added to the list of accountable and perhaps not the Shadow Minister for Housing,
  7. The Great Tower Block Fire of London

    No, serious recommendations made over the decades. Not chit-chat. It's news to you. But then we established in the other thread that you're not too bothered about construction regulation or the opinion of industry in driving good practice. I'm only 35 and they were discussing sprinklers in council buildings a long long time before I even started Uni. When I tried to save the Aston Arena is was one of the first things I checked when doing my H+S report (2012) and the first thing the fire safety officer discussed with me when I kept it open for another 6 months. We had to isolate the non-sprinkler sections. Informal report which led to the inquest. A bit like now when everyone is spending their time blaming as many Conservatives as they can instead of listening to what people are actually saying. Yup Snowy I'd portion blame to Boris too. Exactly right, a full term, a bit like May or Barwell never had. Boris did an awful job for London....well, not awful. he did a good job carrying on the good things Ken did.
  8. The Great Tower Block Fire of London

    More general. Fire safety officers and tenants have always discussed problems with workmanship and value of sprinklers but it's only when something happens that we focus blame on the easiest targets; who are still culpable of course. The issues with fire safety. It's not a new topic. He's been an MP in London for many years, surely to god saw the report in 2009 and by 2016 was the Mayor for a city with the most flats and substandard accommodation in the UK. By working with tenants he campaigned on new housing estates and regeneration so I am assuming he knew. If he didn't know then I'm bang wrong (seems v unlikely, particularity with his work history), but I won't be wrong in saying that if he didn't know, he's shown negligence in his role. I wouldn't go as far as to blame him, though I'd argue he should take as much criticism as people feel Barwell and May deserve. Well we can argue the causes of bankruptcy all day because it's not only central governments fault, not by a long shot. However, local authorities can find the money for revenue officers but not a planner or planning policy procedure to enforce sprinklers as part of a planning condition? That's local authority prioritisation/ignorance and nothing to do with their bank account.
  9. The Great Tower Block Fire of London

    All great points and it's been in discussion for the last 20 years. Labour and Conservatives should hang their heads in shame. The Tenancy Management Organisation also has two councillors on it, one Labour, one Conservative. Khan has known about his for many years and as Mayor should take some responsibility considering his powers in the city and the way planning is delivered in London. That's a big one actually, local government has not taken enough criticism when they can very easily require sprinklers as part of a planning condition....all over London....if it was a priority! It doesn't excuse central government from ignoring this problem, especially in shared accommodation, though as I mentioned previously cost is a problem as we're seeing in Wales and perhaps some of those costs will be people lives. Some sprinkler systems don't work properly (or at all) and there has been no investment to make sure water pressure is adequate. In part that's because regulation was rushed through without making sure the infrastructure was in place. That's not inherently bad but it's pretty negligent.
  10. The Great Tower Block Fire of London

    Sorry to go off topic but I wanted to ask whether you consider this Labour and the previous one (New Labour) as different? And if so does it matter to you? I've never seen a Labour government that really knew how to govern for the people without spending frivolously and so I preferred to vote Conservative as they seem to care about the balance sheet. However, imo things are now different and Labour are more representative of the values I thought we shared...though i'm v sceptical about the quality of many Labour MP's,
  11. Finsbury Park Incident

    I think perhaps the major difference is how the media outlets work and those stories get softened as you go up the chain and more brutal as you move to social media and chinese whispers. It's still the same message of ignorance and it permeates. But then I feel it's the media climate we live in and the anti-Tory union and hyped criticism of everything until we know the facts is as dangerous. We shouldn't be engaging in any public outcry that pitches one against the other unless the whole thing is out in the open....cough, brexit.
  12. Finsbury Park Incident

    I think you've made an interesting point about heightening tensions, especially for a tower fire. Imo she should have been there at first light helping while her guys worked on the next action. No press opportunity, just solidarity. That to me is the the leader I want even if she'd have taken a lot of flack. However, on the flack side, Khan deserves it as much as Barwell/May and I think fair play to him for showing up to take it. Angry people need to vent somewhere and showing up calms the ongoing conversation. It is going to be interesting to see how politicians and the media handle this awful incident.
  13. Should I stay or should I go now - U.K. in/out of the EU (contd.)

    Funny isn't the word, it's damn painful!
  14. Should I stay or should I go now - U.K. in/out of the EU (contd.)

    The EU typically hiding their problems and coming to the table looking organised but without the blessing/support of many member states. It's a bit like the 'Health of the EU' survey!
  15. Should I stay or should I go now - U.K. in/out of the EU (contd.)

    Finally get you now. And yes I worry about how things will be transposed but I don't think that means ignoring the regulatory debate that will strengthen our hand in negotiations and inform politicians about what they've been doing wrong. I still don't see what that has to do with 99% of lobbyists. And it's not just construction, it's anything. I just focused on construction because if you asked a question I could most likely answer it. I'd be happy to talk about CE markings, fishing, farming, renewable energy, milk production or anything if I can learn something. The Great Repeal Act meetings are as much about keeping legislation as they are about removing them.