DJ_Villain Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, deck said: Some would've been saying "just one more season" to him over and over until he'd aged himself out of likely getting a chance to play in the Champions or Europa Leagues. Footballers have to secure their reputations while they're still working, because unlike visual artists (whose work always exists in the present), once they've retired, the chance the chance of them getting upgraded to 'historically significant player' on the back of people poring over old footage is pretty slim. (Playing for a narrowly defeated team in a Champions League final or a World Cup or Euros final/semi-final trumps, profile-wise, playing for the winning team in a Championship play-off final - the 'Gazza's tears' WC semi-final effectively shows this.) What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 6, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, DJ_Villain said: What? Giving Jack the run of the place, the captains armband, Carte Blanche to do what he wants, forgiving him constantly for acting up in public… Jack owes Smith a fucktonne… I’d argue he owed him at least one more season but he just couldn’t do that being the nations darling could he - he needed to go right now, this season post-haste at the last minute regardless of how much it blew all of Smiths plans and work to smithereens… 'so you were going to go to Tottenham, you have to work your numbers' someone said to a rough diamond that he was about to polish. He owes Smith more that his self cantered little mind could ever contemplate Edited November 6, 2021 by Follyfoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recircle Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, DJ_Villain said: What's your point? That it was understandable and not unreasonable for him to leave when he did, and that those who will never have the sheer talent that causes them to have to make difficult choices like that (which would be most of us) shouldn't judge him too harshly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, deck said: That it was understandable and not unreasonable for him to leave when he did, and that those who will never have the sheer talent that causes them to have to make difficult choices like that (which would be most of us) shouldn't judge him too harshly. I disagree... I think it was highly unreasonable, not at all understandable and he should be judged until the end of time... Oh... and I am fantastic, so therefore I am allowed to judge him as harshly as I wish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 10 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Smith doesn't identify or target the signings. It isn't 2003. You don't entrust your coach to spend £100m of your money. On the Grealish thing. Smith made his name and career off Jack. Jack owes him nothing . He's given Smith everything with his talent. He has actually elevated his career and Smith without a world class player doesn't seem all that useful. I like how Smith doesn't get any credit for getting that world class form out of him in the first place. Something nobody before or after him, nor the England manager has been able to replicate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I like how Smith doesn't get any credit for getting that world class form out of him in the first place. Something nobody before or after him, nor the England manager has been able to replicate. He deserves a lot of credit. He got Grealish to be a lot more effective in the attacking third and his numbers went up. Pep seems to have regressed him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 7 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: He just didn’t need to go. Yep. He could have stayed with his family club, stayed the main man, free to be the artist while pushing Villa up the table, attracting other big players, all while playing for England and making a fortune and becoming an all time folk hero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, maqroll said: Yep. He could have stayed with his family club, stayed the main man, free to be the artist while pushing Villa up the table, attracting other big players, all while playing for England and making a fortune and becoming an all time folk hero. Which, as alien as it is to us fans, doesn't really mean much to professionals if they aren't winning anything. With my Villa hat on though, thinking about it, he would have been spoken of in reverence 100 years from now if he played out his career here. That type of legendary status lives on even after the trophies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Pep dropped a hint about the reason he didn't pick him today in the way he wanted his team to play today against a team that have had some results against them lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 14 hours ago, PaulC said: Pep dropped a hint about the reason he didn't pick him today in the way he wanted his team to play today against a team that have had some results against them lately. And an admission that his side is unbalanced. Must wound his ego not to play against United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 16 hours ago, PaulC said: Pep dropped a hint about the reason he didn't pick him today in the way he wanted his team to play today against a team that have had some results against them lately. Yeh the fact that Phil Foden was superb in that LFW position last season and it was really his break through season there. And then they go and spunk 100 Mill on our Jack to play there instead and it doesn't work out. Super guru Pep 200 iq play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Some fair critiques here: "the sense has been of Grealish slowing attacks, of his determination to cast off his previous individuality and submit to the system leading him to take the safer option; balancing the individual and the system is never straightforward. Grealish’s pass accuracy notably is up on last season, but key passes, shots and dribbles are all down. Which may, ultimately, all be to the good; it’s just that at this stage it feels as though what made Grealish special, his impishness, his capacity for the brilliant or unexpected, has rather been lost. And he doesn’t have the directness of Sané, the player he in effect replaced in the squad. Remarkably, Cancelo (who has admittedly played 149 more minutes) has had more touches in the final third than Grealish this season. If Grealish seems less involved creatively than he might be, it may be for the very good reason that he is holding his position, offering a defence against the counter, to allow the attack to develop from different angles." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DJ_Villain Posted November 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2021 Wonder what this little shit… with his conniving agent and family… must be thinking now the bloke who he owes so much to for his success has been unceremoniously sacked… Yeah Grealish… It was you and your closest who conspired to cock things up for Dean… and now he has lost his job… Hope you’re all happy with yourselves… 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 https://mobile.twitter.com/JackGrealish/status/1457343194983800838 Posted this in Smith’s thread and it made me a little angry I won’t lie. Think you’re a contributing factor in this decision tbh Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Piss off snake boy… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted November 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2021 Have no issue with Grealish posting that. Don't doubt for a second he cares about or Villa or that he didn't like Smith. Yeah he left for greener pastures, it sucks, but that's part of football and I don't really blame him even though I'd obviously hoped he'd stayed here his whole career. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted November 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2021 Don't mind him posting it But at the same time I hope he realises the role he's played in where we are right now 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Irony is jack leaving played a part No one can compare, apart from city and and pep obviously Edited November 7, 2021 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted November 7, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2021 Yeah nothing wrong with that. Although (putting on my old man cap) while the sentiment is nice, I wish people would take the trouble to type out “No one” rather than “No1” or saying he’s the greatest rather than calling him the “real goat”. You have a few characters spare Jack, don’t be afraid to use them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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