Popular Post thunderball Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 My favourite: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I don't think Grealish should be playing for Gareth Southgate's England. Southgate has one way of playing, pass the ball needlessly around the back before kicking it long down the wings for a runner to try and get on the end of. That is not Jack's game. It would frustrate Jack. Until we have a manager that actually knows how to set up an attack minded team and has more than a very limited 'plan A' I would rather Jack was not involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 luckily Jack loves the pressure and is good enough to rise to it because all this nonsense does is put more of a spotlight on him when he actually does play. A lesser player would shrivel under this level of debate and scrutiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I kind of like that Southgate is making it hard for Grealish, I like that he is challenging him and annoying him. There is no question that he has further stepped up his game since. Every player needs to be challenged, there is a chance that the player will start disliking that figure, rather it be the manager of England than the manager of Villa. As much as I dislike Southgate, there is no question that Grealish has really upped his game, it can be discussed if its because of Southgate or not, but it certainly hasn't hurt Villa. Every player needs that motivation and kick, this motivation can be money related, transfer related or proving people wrong, etc. I feel like it was getting a bit to easy for Grealish at Villa, he could do no wrong here. This saga certainly hasn't harmed his overall game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2020 Right now Jack may or may not be better than Stirling, but he's 100% better than Rashford AND Sancho, there is no doubt about that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Gareth today "Please God let Jack have a stinker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sidcow said: Right now Jack may or may not be better than Stirling, but he's 100% better than Rashford AND Sancho, there is no doubt about that. Sterling and Sancho has been poor this season But of course Gareth won't bring that up because Jack is measured by a higher standard. If Jack isn't getting an assist or goal in every game he plays he isn't in contention to start It's hilarious when getting questions about Jack all Gareth brings up are goals and assists. It's incredibly narrow minded that being your only focus. It's so much more to his game than just goalpoints. Edited November 12, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villalad21 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Awol said: Rent free: It's not funny anymore. He is just being weird. Just say it how it is that he doesn't fancy him. Had he just been open and honest about it i would respect him more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 He has lost it. Obviously trying to let people know he's aware of the Mount thing. What the press officer who's briefed him should have warned him is it absolutely isn't just Villa fans. He really can't afford to start Grealish in amongst the strongest team because he won't be able to drop him again. Far too much of his time is devoted to worrying about Jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I'm paraphrasing from The Telegraph article here but Southgate continues... "we're not blind to a good player" in Grealish and for this friendly he has found a solution. They will both play with Mount asked to fulfil "a slightly different role" in the centre of midfield where England remain short of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: He has lost it. Obviously trying to let people know he's aware of the Mount thing. What the press officer who's briefed him should have warned him is it absolutely isn't just Villa fans. He really can't afford to start Grealish in amongst the strongest team because he won't be able to drop him again. Far too much of his time is devoted to worrying about Jack. 100 % Clear agenda and he is desperate for Jack to have a bad game and being "proved right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) He's painted himself into a corner tbf. It takes a big man accept he got it wrong, and it might be Southgate isn't that big man. He comes across as someone pointed out earlier with a serious chip on his shoulder. I know Jack will disagree with me for obvious reasons, but I'd prefer he didn't play international footy. I really couldn't give a shit about any national side, and especially the English one. Stay fit for AVFC and play your football here. Edited November 12, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2020 Yeah, it's now become a monster of a "thing" and he's clearly got his nose out of joint over it, which with Southgate is a pretty serious problem. The national team and Grealish can do without the circus that's now developing. But I still say Southgate created the circus, if he just answered the questions put to him this whole Mason Mount situation would not even exist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, sidcow said: Right now Jack may or may not be better than Stirling, but he's 100% better than Rashford AND Sancho, there is no doubt about that. The way I answer that question is who would you have in your team out of the two of them, it then answers itself as to who is the better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicken Field said: As much as I dislike Southgate, there is no question that Grealish has really upped his game, it can be discussed if its because of Southgate or not, but it certainly hasn't hurt Villa. Every player needs that motivation and kick, this motivation can be money related, transfer related or proving people wrong, etc. I feel like it was getting a bit to easy for Grealish at Villa, he could do no wrong here. This saga certainly hasn't harmed his overall game. Jack hasn't really stepped his game up, players around him have and we have brought in other players who compliment him. This has brought more media attention, most Villa fans who have watched Jack over the last 3 seasons knew he was a very special player and once we had a team around him he would be world class. Southgate is hopeless, he lost us the best chance to get to a world cup final we have had in the last 50 years. Even in that game he had no way to change the game when we went behind, no answers. The sooner he has gone the better. He is destined to fail, he always was . Suit me if Jack wasn't played tonight, but he will be and then dropped for the important games only to be brought on if we're losing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) I really find it hard to believe that a grown man in his position would say the things that Southgate has said. It’s an insult to school kids to compare that to the kind of thing you’d hear in the playground. If in a normal job, if you spoke publicly about a fellow employee in that immature way, serious questions would be asked about your character and suitability to be in control of anything more valuable than a brush. Gareth Southgate has become unhinged and should be removed for his own good. Then again when you see the people who run the FA, it’s hardly a surprise that they appointed such an unsuitable candidate in the first case. Edited November 12, 2020 by DaveAV1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I have a maybe unpopular take on this, which is that fundamentally it is the manager's job to pick the team, not the media or the FA or the fans, and I'm starting to cringe at what is in danger of becoming a circus. I mean, my reaction to sentences like 'Perhaps someone higher up has had a word that he's out of a job if Jack isn't in the squad' (from the previous page) is that that had better not be **** true. I'm not an idiot, and I want Grealish to play for England as well. But I want him to play *because the manager wants him to play*, not because the manager has caved in because an FA suit has told him to, or because he's embarrassed about memes on social media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 he'll probably start in the meaningless/pointless Ireland friendly and play well again and then get dropped for the other games and not even get a sniff. Gareth might give him a five minute cameo in one of the competitive matches, but the goofy twonk will do anything he can to avoid starting Grealish in a competitive match. Hope i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I have a maybe unpopular take on this, which is that fundamentally it is the manager's job to pick the team, not the media or the FA or the fans, and I'm starting to cringe at what is in danger of becoming a circus. I mean, my reaction to sentences like 'Perhaps someone higher up has had a word that he's out of a job if Jack isn't in the squad' (from the previous page) is that that had better not be **** true. I'm not an idiot, and I want Grealish to play for England as well. But I want him to play *because the manager wants him to play*, not because the manager has caved in because an FA suit has told him to, or because he's embarrassed about memes on social media. I agree with your general point that the manager should pick the team and not outside parties like the press. However the England manager’s job goes way beyond simply picking the team and matters on the pitch. Rightly or wrongly dealing with the press now plays a significant role in his job as it does in most high profile sports. To be drawn into a public spat and in such an immature way is frankly just wrong. To say that Mason Mount’s only fault is not to be Jack, is something I’d expect from a teenager on Facebook. He’s right Mason Mount hasn’t done anything wrong but neither has Jack. Surely the England manager shouldn’t be using either of them in his childish slanging match with the press. If the England manager even looks at memes, let alone be effected by them, he’s in the wrong job I feel equally for both players. Both of them are being failed by their international manager, who should be protecting them from the press, not involving them in this way. I doubt the players or their clubs are impressed. I’d imagine their clubs are quietly furious. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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