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1 minute ago, AvonVillain said:

Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others.

Same could be said about the first team. We can’t just hold on to every single player. 

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18 minutes ago, AvonVillain said:

Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others.

The last 5 Academy players have been sold for circa £160m + a lot more when you factor in homegrown FFP rules 

Its all part of our self sustainable continual investment philosophy 

You only have to look at the lerner era and currently at wolves to see what happens when owners get pissed off keep having to put there hands in there own pockets 

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Emery emphasized in his press conference that appreciates Ramsey, Philogene, and Archer in his press conference today and that he believes in their ability and spoke about it being important to have control over their futures and the possibility to bring them back.

He also spoke about the money we're receveing for them being good, essentially if we make a stack of money from them whilst retaining the option of bringing them back, then might as well do that rather than a loan, but we aren't going to do that every summer, because every summer we won't have academy players that clubs are ready to play big money for.

And by the same token not every academy player that's worth some money is necessarily going to be sold, some coming through might be deemed good enough to come straight into our squad and get a decent amount of game time, so sale for experience not needed.

In Kellyman's case he's still only seventeen, so probably two or three years before he gets to the stage that Aaron was at this summer and that's if he ever gets to that stage, he might do even better and become one of those that's ready to come into our first team after a loan, or even better than that and come into our first team without even a loan, but first he has at least another season with our U21s.

If circumstances allow it might even get a few first team minutes this season.

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1 hour ago, AvonVillain said:

Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others.

Kellyman is just another player, who we poached from Derby as they went into financial difficulties. 

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1 hour ago, AvonVillain said:

Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others.

Do you think the majority of our academy players dreamt about becoming an Aston Villa player? There's a few that grew up as fans, but most would want to play football for a living.

Our academy gives many of them a great grounding to succeed in their career, but the players will want to play where they can. They're not clinging on to the hope that it's here - they'll want regular football with the best team they can get, along with a good wage.

Elite sports is always going to be ruthless, but that cuts both ways. It's not always the big bad club. Many players will try to jump ship the moment a better offer comes along.

 

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1 hour ago, StanBalaban said:

Do you think the majority of our academy players dreamt about becoming an Aston Villa player? There's a few that grew up as fans, but most would want to play football for a living.

Our academy gives many of them a great grounding to succeed in their career, but the players will want to play where they can. They're not clinging on to the hope that it's here - they'll want regular football with the best team they can get, along with a good wage.

Elite sports is always going to be ruthless, but that cuts both ways. It's not always the big bad club. Many players will try to jump ship the moment a better offer comes along.

 

Very true, and you look around the league, most clubs - even ones with very good academies - I don't think many have more than 2-3 established first team squad members who came through their own youth system, and often only 1 real first teamer. And these examples tend to be the real deal because they were good enough to force their way through at top teams (e.g. Arsenal - Saka, Man Utd - Rashford, Man City - Foden,  Liverpool - Alexander-Arnold).

At the minute we only really have J.Ramsey and a few of the next most likeliest seem to be leaving this summer, but the main thing is that the Academy is regularly bringing through quality players who make it at a high level. If we keep doing it, it feeds back in terms of the quality of kids who join the academy - every so often one or two will establish selves here, others will end up as a star of another club (in the same way that we now enjoy the services of St Mirren's John McGinn, Exeter's Ollie Watkins etc.)

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2 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Mate. I have always wondered how many would make it in our squad. Some great talents . But we are in the strongest league in the world and are looking to break into the top 4 . Which means unfortunately that the odds of 4 lads from Great Barr ( JJ,AJ,CJ and Tim).. with a population of 13509 being good enough is incredibly small. However on the off chance that Aaron  and Cam do become good enough we are inserting clauses to ensure that if they develop like we hope we can buy them back at a later date. 

I see it as a positive rather than a negative. 

You’re being negative as **** though. Great Barr is the centre of the universe and everyone from there is destined for greatness, and this is coming from someone who may or may not be but definitely is from Great Barr. Clue’s in the name pal.

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27 minutes ago, Nigel said:

I think kellyman is the reason we let ramsey out; We can only really hope to blood one youngster in any one position and kellyman looks like he has something a bit special. 

As he is only 17 he can be playing u21s and youth cup games and then get the odd first team appearance , all the while developing. 

Whereas Aaron is 20 and needs 30 games this season minimum to develop. Playing u21s and the odd first team game would make him stagnate. 

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4 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said:

As he is only 17 he can be playing u21s and youth cup games and then get the odd first team appearance , all the while developing. 

Whereas Aaron is 20 and needs 30 games this season minimum to develop. Playing u21s and the odd first team game would make him stagnate. 

Exactly, they’re not in a stage not to play regular minutes. We can now use those chances for some younger players, if they showed their qualities and being ready they can even appear in some PL games. By doing that top Championship teams might queue for getting him next season, then if he was finally at the quality we assume and hope he joins the first team at 19. It won’t be his first run as well. 
During the time he’s on loan we give others a chance. Most will just be to up their values, few will be a long term plan. Some might even be used in the first teams if they were quality while not in our standard, to fill a squad position, with an eye to raise their value.

All of that process will encourage more talents to come to Villa because we’re trying to find success for players wether with us or other teams. 

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13 hours ago, AvonVillain said:

Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others.

Unless he's good enough and then he won't. 

That's the whole point of a youth academy. 

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