HalfTimePost Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Another who is wanting minutes next week against Hibs, 2 goals in the first half against City 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvonVillain Posted August 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2023 Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 minute ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Same could be said about the first team. We can’t just hold on to every single player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Great. More money for us to spend on big signings then. Up the Kellyman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MellbergsBeard Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Omari is 17 he is one of the reason we can sell A.Ramsey and be confident in a youth development. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. The last 5 Academy players have been sold for circa £160m + a lot more when you factor in homegrown FFP rules Its all part of our self sustainable continual investment philosophy You only have to look at the lerner era and currently at wolves to see what happens when owners get pissed off keep having to put there hands in there own pockets 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Jesus Christ man... Some of you are beyond dramatic. 23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MWARLEY2 Posted August 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Mate. I have always wondered how many would make it in our squad. Some great talents . But we are in the strongest league in the world and are looking to break into the top 4 . Which means unfortunately that the odds of 4 lads from Great Barr ( JJ,AJ,CJ and Tim).. with a population of 13509 being good enough is incredibly small. However on the off chance that Aaron and Cam do become good enough we are inserting clauses to ensure that if they develop like we hope we can buy them back at a later date. I see it as a positive rather than a negative. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Emery emphasized in his press conference that appreciates Ramsey, Philogene, and Archer in his press conference today and that he believes in their ability and spoke about it being important to have control over their futures and the possibility to bring them back. He also spoke about the money we're receveing for them being good, essentially if we make a stack of money from them whilst retaining the option of bringing them back, then might as well do that rather than a loan, but we aren't going to do that every summer, because every summer we won't have academy players that clubs are ready to play big money for. And by the same token not every academy player that's worth some money is necessarily going to be sold, some coming through might be deemed good enough to come straight into our squad and get a decent amount of game time, so sale for experience not needed. In Kellyman's case he's still only seventeen, so probably two or three years before he gets to the stage that Aaron was at this summer and that's if he ever gets to that stage, he might do even better and become one of those that's ready to come into our first team after a loan, or even better than that and come into our first team without even a loan, but first he has at least another season with our U21s. If circumstances allow it might even get a few first team minutes this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Kellyman is just another player, who we poached from Derby as they went into financial difficulties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Yawn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Do you think the majority of our academy players dreamt about becoming an Aston Villa player? There's a few that grew up as fans, but most would want to play football for a living. Our academy gives many of them a great grounding to succeed in their career, but the players will want to play where they can. They're not clinging on to the hope that it's here - they'll want regular football with the best team they can get, along with a good wage. Elite sports is always going to be ruthless, but that cuts both ways. It's not always the big bad club. Many players will try to jump ship the moment a better offer comes along. Edited August 25, 2023 by StanBalaban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Don’t then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switters Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, StanBalaban said: Do you think the majority of our academy players dreamt about becoming an Aston Villa player? There's a few that grew up as fans, but most would want to play football for a living. Our academy gives many of them a great grounding to succeed in their career, but the players will want to play where they can. They're not clinging on to the hope that it's here - they'll want regular football with the best team they can get, along with a good wage. Elite sports is always going to be ruthless, but that cuts both ways. It's not always the big bad club. Many players will try to jump ship the moment a better offer comes along. Very true, and you look around the league, most clubs - even ones with very good academies - I don't think many have more than 2-3 established first team squad members who came through their own youth system, and often only 1 real first teamer. And these examples tend to be the real deal because they were good enough to force their way through at top teams (e.g. Arsenal - Saka, Man Utd - Rashford, Man City - Foden, Liverpool - Alexander-Arnold). At the minute we only really have J.Ramsey and a few of the next most likeliest seem to be leaving this summer, but the main thing is that the Academy is regularly bringing through quality players who make it at a high level. If we keep doing it, it feeds back in terms of the quality of kids who join the academy - every so often one or two will establish selves here, others will end up as a star of another club (in the same way that we now enjoy the services of St Mirren's John McGinn, Exeter's Ollie Watkins etc.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: Mate. I have always wondered how many would make it in our squad. Some great talents . But we are in the strongest league in the world and are looking to break into the top 4 . Which means unfortunately that the odds of 4 lads from Great Barr ( JJ,AJ,CJ and Tim).. with a population of 13509 being good enough is incredibly small. However on the off chance that Aaron and Cam do become good enough we are inserting clauses to ensure that if they develop like we hope we can buy them back at a later date. I see it as a positive rather than a negative. You’re being negative as **** though. Great Barr is the centre of the universe and everyone from there is destined for greatness, and this is coming from someone who may or may not be but definitely is from Great Barr. Clue’s in the name pal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nigel Posted August 25, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2023 I think kellyman is the reason we let ramsey out; We can only really hope to blood one youngster in any one position and kellyman looks like he has something a bit special. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, Nigel said: I think kellyman is the reason we let ramsey out; We can only really hope to blood one youngster in any one position and kellyman looks like he has something a bit special. As he is only 17 he can be playing u21s and youth cup games and then get the odd first team appearance , all the while developing. Whereas Aaron is 20 and needs 30 games this season minimum to develop. Playing u21s and the odd first team game would make him stagnate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 4 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: As he is only 17 he can be playing u21s and youth cup games and then get the odd first team appearance , all the while developing. Whereas Aaron is 20 and needs 30 games this season minimum to develop. Playing u21s and the odd first team game would make him stagnate. Exactly, they’re not in a stage not to play regular minutes. We can now use those chances for some younger players, if they showed their qualities and being ready they can even appear in some PL games. By doing that top Championship teams might queue for getting him next season, then if he was finally at the quality we assume and hope he joins the first team at 19. It won’t be his first run as well. During the time he’s on loan we give others a chance. Most will just be to up their values, few will be a long term plan. Some might even be used in the first teams if they were quality while not in our standard, to fill a squad position, with an eye to raise their value. All of that process will encourage more talents to come to Villa because we’re trying to find success for players wether with us or other teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gwi1890 Posted August 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2023 12 hours ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. then you should have given up years ago, I don’t recall anyone throwing their toys out for the pram when Callum O’Hare , Andre Green, Jonathan Hogg were released. Yet some were constantly complaining about bedding Jacob Ramsey “championship at best”into the team just can’t please some I guess. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 13 hours ago, AvonVillain said: Struggling to find the point of cheering on the youth anymore. Guess he'll just be sold like the others. Unless he's good enough and then he won't. That's the whole point of a youth academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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