GingerCollins29 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, useless said: Wasn't great, but still played better than Ings has ever played for us. Don't mind giving Ingsy a go, but I don't think it would be long before people are calling for Watkins to come back into the team. It's like Janet Jackson once said. Are you saying ollie's performance is better than anything ings has produced for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, useless said: Wasn't great, but still played better than Ings has ever played for us. Don't mind giving Ingsy a go, but I don't think it would be long before people are calling for Watkins to come back into the team. It's like Janet Jackson once said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Another poor game, looks a completely different player to last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just been singled out for special praise on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, will87 said: Just been singled out for special praise on MOTD. Did they, what for? Was it Bielsa that gave the special praise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I'm saying his overall performance today was better than any of Ings overall performaces. Ings is basically anonymous in terms of team play unless he's scoring goals, so if he's playing he has to get goals otherwise it's like playing with ten men and that's not a criticism of him it's just the kind of striker that he is, it's actually very good to have such a player available but most top teams won't start with such a player. With Watkins I think it's got to the stage where people are waiting for him to do something that can be deemed as a negative so they can jump on it and overreact, exactly the same thing has happened with Mings in the past. My major cricisim of him is that he needs to start scoring more goals, otherwise I can see us spending £70m on a best in class striker in the summer and his place coming under threat, not because of him being bad, but because we want to improve as much as possible, other favorites too might find their positions as first team players also under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Had a very poor season and once again was anonymous tonight. Got 14 goals and 9 assists last season, and was pretty much actively involved in our good play in every game last season. Grealish is gone but to see the complete reversal in his form is quite staggering, especially now we have Coutinho and Buendia behind him and that doesn't seem to have helped. I think it's now time to maybe try Ings but I'm not at all confident that will work either. We've got some serious issues defensively but also serious issues with our striker situation and I don't really know what the answer is. Maybe trying Bailey up front is our last hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, useless said: I'm saying his overall performance today was better than any of Ings overall performaces. Ings is basically anonymous in terms of team play unless he's scoring goals, so if he's playing he has to get goals otherwise it's like playing with ten men and that's not a criticism of him it's just the kind of striker that he is This is just not true! He had better pressing stats than Watkins not so many games ago for the season so far(don’t know current stats) he links well with other team members…this is just false narrative you are saying. 6 minutes ago, useless said: With Watkins I think it's got to the stage where people are waiting for him to do something that can be deemed as a negative so they can jump on it and overreact Just BS. If you seriously believe with your own eyes this is the same Watkins as last season then I’ll be shocked because poster after poster on here are disagreeing withyou 6 minutes ago, useless said: My major cricisim of him is that he needs to start scoring more goals, otherwise I can see us spending £70m on a best in class striker in the summer We agree 6 minutes ago, useless said: not because of him being bad Disagree, if he was playing like last season I don’t think we’d be trying to upgrade 6 minutes ago, useless said: but because we want to improve as much as possible, other favorites too might find their positions as first team players also under threat. You’re just deflecting from the issue that Ollie has massively regressed since last season and nobody knows why. Edited February 9, 2022 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, nick76 said: Did they, what for? Was it Bielsa that gave the special praise? Dublin, saying how well he did keeping out the way, thus creating space for our better players, I shit you not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, will87 said: Dublin, saying how well he did keeping out the way, thus creating space for our better players, I shit you not. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, useless said: I'm saying his overall performance today was better than any of Ings overall performaces. Ings is basically anonymous in terms of team play unless he's scoring goals, so if he's playing he has to get goals otherwise it's like playing with ten men and that's not a criticism of him it's just the kind of striker that he is, it's actually very good to have such a player available but most top teams won't start with such a player. With Watkins I think it's got to the stage where people are waiting for him to do something that can be deemed as a negative so they can jump on it and overreact, exactly the same thing has happened with Mings in the past. My major cricisim of him is that he needs to start scoring more goals, otherwise I can see us spending £70m on a best in class striker in the summer and his place coming under threat, not because of him being bad, but because we want to improve as much as possible, other favorites too might find their positions as first team players also under threat. There was that ball that Digne flashed across in the second half and Watkins couldn't quite reach it. He didnt anticipate it. He just isnt a poacher or out and out goalscorer. It feels now with this side that we need that sort of striker. Ings is more that, but then I question his mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 No comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Lazy. Bullied. Zero hold up play. Zero threat in behind. Contrast to last year its night and day. I'm absolutely staggered it took until 85 minutes for Ings to get stripped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, nick76 said: This is just not true! He had better pressing stats than Watkins not so many games ago for the season so far(don’t know current stats) The best I can get for pressure stats is from this season, not selected weeks. Watkins 28.1% 76 successful from 270 Ings 19.2% 40 successful from 208 If I check last season Watkins was 26.5% and Ings 24% for Soton. Watkins better % than last season and last season % better than Ings 2 seasons at 2 different clubs Edited February 9, 2022 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevpants Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Should have kept Keinan and sent his lad to Forest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Michael Rickets MkII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: The best I can get for pressure stats is from this season, not selected weeks. Watkins 28.1% 76 successful from 270 Ings 19.2% 40 successful from 208 If I check last season Watkins was 26.5% and Ings 24% for Soton. Watkins better % than last season and last season % better than Ings 2 seasons at 2 different clubs Thanks. I did see something around Xmas time that had some pressing stats for both and Ings was slightly ahead of Watkins for the season. If it wasn’t posted on here by somebody I’ll have to try and find it tomorrow or Friday. Then we can see what the difference is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Absolute dreadful, was like watching Gabby in his last days up top When was his last goal? When did he last look like scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Zatman said: Absolute dreadful, was like watching Gabby in his last days up top When was his last goal? When did he last look like scoring? yeah but its ok mate, he works hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I’m sick to death of his same shit performances every week. Why is he deemed undroppable? Would happily sell in the summer if we received any reasonable offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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