Dodgyknees Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: He does a great job of closing down and cutting off passing lanes. There aren't Opta stats for just "being clever" though. Spot on. He doesn’t need to make tackles because he spots the danger before that point and breaking up play starts our attacks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Article about Liverpool & Man City possibly losing their Brazilian players in March for World Cup Qualifiers, however if Luiz gets called up, could impact us..... I think Argentina are in the same position....so that could impact Martinez..... Apparently FIFA said in September that during COVID teams may not be obliged to release their players if they have to "travel", which in this case they would....i would 100% refuse to release them. We will take our players! Manchester City and Liverpool could lose their South American stars for the title run-in with Brazil set to call up all of their Premier League players for March's World Cup qualifiers https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9205695/Manchester-City-Liverpool-lose-South-American-stars-title-run.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: @TRO not sure if you’ve seen Fulham much but I reckon the type of DM you want at Villa is playing in that Fulham team. Am I right? Like who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughable Chimp Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, andym said: He's in the top 20 midfielders across the league for clearances and aerial battles won He's nowhere near the top 10 of those in terms of the actual numbers, but he's not exactly useless defensively His passing is also a lot better than many of those ahead of him on the list First off, before anyone has a go at me because "sTaTs dOn'T tElL tHe wHoLe sToRy", I'm not the one bringing up his stats in the first place here. Secondly, those are just 2 defensive stats. There are a lot of defensive stats out there and saying he's not bad at these 2 defensive stats doesn't say much about his defensive work as a whole. Thirdly, you have to look at them in terms of a per90 basis. If you're looking at their total stats, they're going to be biased to the players who have played a lot of games. To which Luiz definitely benefits from having started and played the entire 90 minutes for a lot of our games. Fourthly, there are many different breeds of central midfielders, which is why comparing their stats can sometimes be tricky. A defensive midfielder can have decent defensive stats when compared to all central midfielders but be in the bottom end of the scale compared to just defensive midfielders. Fifth, there are certain defensive stats that really really need to be taken with a grain of salt. This because they are the result of a team's play style then the actual contribution of a player. Sixthly(is that a word), I do think he's defensively capable. I just don't think he's anywhere close to a rock in there so really, I agree with you. He simply isn't a CDM. I don't care what anyone says about all his defensive work people say he does that I never seen him do. Which conveniently isn't captured in any stats so I can't bring up any evidence to deny it. Reminds me of how people defended Wesley for always "dragging away defenders" or how Mings contributes with his "leadership" and you could never deny these factors even if you never saw them because they aren't captured in any metrics. So they become easy things to bring up in defence of these players because no one can deny them. Edit: Seventhly, not against you specifically but my god I do not understand what people see in Douglas Luiz. Which is why I usually avoid these thread nowadays, simply cannot understand what people are seeing in him and there's no point in really debating further. At least with Mings I see his work despite my criticisms of him, I am just **** annoyed at his once per game mistake that costs us or almost costs us that I don't see any other defender we have doing and the way people constantly excuse them despite them happening being debated over at least once every week. With Luiz its just, there's just not much there. He's capable defensively and offensively and doesn't drag the team down. Yet somehow people are going around making claims that he's the second most important player in the team and that he's a future barcelona/real madrid/Brazil captain.. How is he more important than our goalkeeper who's arguably the best keeper in the league and our topscorer in Watkins who's almost everything I want in a striker. Seriously, i think Watkins has all the potential to be a top striker in this league, he's just a bit raw and he's certainly contributes more than Luiz for us imo. To even stretch it a bit further, I think Mcginn has very similar attributes to Luiz tbh, but I do think atm he's definitely better. Around the same level defensively but I've noticed recently his long passing has been great, which if anything was something I expected Luiz to do more off.. Cash has been great in the right hand side. Then there's our wingers and attacking midfielders who despite being inconsistent or all match winners on their day, how many times could you say that about Douglas Luiz? I think Hause is sorely underrated as a CB and is more than capable of pushing or even replacing Mings(but that's a discussion for another day) and Konsa has been near faultless. Mings as much as I criticize him is aside from his tendency to switch off is a good, hell even a great defender. So when you boil it down, I think Douglas Luiz is far from the one of the best players in our starting 11. If anything, he'd be closer to the worst. I just don't see it, I don't think I'll ever see it, and quite frankly if I don't see it by the end of this season I think he'll probably turn out to be an overrated flop. The one largest benefit is his young age and his potential because I do see some raw qualities in there. But he really hasn't put them all together yet and if he doesn't, he's getting no where near the likes of Man City and Juventus. Edited January 31, 2021 by Laughable Chimp 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Article about Liverpool & Man City possibly losing their Brazilian players in March for World Cup Qualifiers, however if Luiz gets called up, could impact us..... I think Argentina are in the same position....so that could impact Martinez..... Apparently FIFA said in September that during COVID teams may not be obliged to release their players if they have to "travel", which in this case they would....i would 100% refuse to release them. We will take our players! Manchester City and Liverpool could lose their South American stars for the title run-in with Brazil set to call up all of their Premier League players for March's World Cup qualifiers https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9205695/Manchester-City-Liverpool-lose-South-American-stars-title-run.html With all due respect if Villa said Jack can't go and play for England in a vital qualifier how would other Villa fans feel? Personally I couldn't care less about international football but for Emi and Luiz it's most likely an honour to represent two of the greatest footballing nations ever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 38 minutes ago, andym said: He's in the top 20 midfielders across the league for clearances and aerial battles won He's nowhere near the top 10 of those in terms of the actual numbers, but he's not exactly useless defensively His passing is also a lot better than many of those ahead of him on the list are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, TRO said: Like who? Anguissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Anguissa Never seen him play, so can't comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Article about Liverpool & Man City possibly losing their Brazilian players in March for World Cup Qualifiers, however if Luiz gets called up, could impact us..... I think Argentina are in the same position....so that could impact Martinez..... Apparently FIFA said in September that during COVID teams may not be obliged to release their players if they have to "travel", which in this case they would....i would 100% refuse to release them. We will take our players! Manchester City and Liverpool could lose their South American stars for the title run-in with Brazil set to call up all of their Premier League players for March's World Cup qualifiers https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9205695/Manchester-City-Liverpool-lose-South-American-stars-title-run.html Although its a concern we only lost two players whereas other lose many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, birdman said: Although its a concern we only lost two players whereas other lose many more. If one of the players we lose is Martinez, it is a bit more than “a concern”, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: For once Christ, I finally get out of the Dean Smith thread and have to read this nonsense. I'm cutting myself off before I get a warning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: he's getting no where near the likes of Man City and Juventus. Hope you’re right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: He does a great job of closing down and cutting off passing lanes. There aren't Opta stats for just "being clever" though. This post is everything, condensed. Of course, not everything is perfect but he does far more than bullshit stats can ever show. Watch his work off the ball, he's a machine and wise beyond his years. His positional sense is class. Cutting off a pass/run won't show up on your fantasy premier league points. It will have happened but it will largely get unnoticed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, briny_ear said: If one of the players we lose is Martinez, it is a bit more than “a concern”, surely? Well not gonna cry over it nothing we can do so crack on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, briny_ear said: If one of the players we lose is Martinez, it is a bit more than “a concern”, surely? Yes but at least there’s a quality replacement in Heaton if it came to that. Martinez is different class don’t get me wrong but it’s been so long since we saw Heaton I think we’ve forgotten how able he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Yes but at least there’s a quality replacement in Heaton if it came to that. Martinez is different class don’t get me wrong but it’s been so long since we saw Heaton I think we’ve forgotten how able he is. Heaton is weird tbh, He's one of those players where multiple stats sites say he's mediocre but we seem to rate him pretty highly. And I'm one of those people who do rate him pretty highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted January 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2021 I like that we are getting under other teams fans skin. Shows we’re doing something right on the pitch. Players seem to be revelling in it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Wezbid said: This post is everything, condensed. Of course, not everything is perfect but he does far more than bullshit stats can ever show. Watch his work off the ball, he's a machine and wise beyond his years. His positional sense is class. Cutting off a pass/run won't show up on your fantasy premier league points. It will have happened but it will largely get unnoticed. Shhhhh Pepe reads these boards and bases his recruitment plans on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Losing luiz and martinez for a extended period will be ahuge blow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I think he may just go on to win more than anyone who has left Villa in my lifetime. He is just brilliant. Makes the game look so easy. First yard is in the head and this guy is always in the right place at the right time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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