villaglint Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Thing is for Wesley is he is going to do well to get any game time at all. Let alone the 5/6 full game run he is going to need to get his fitness/sharpness back (see McGinn for how different players can look when unfit/not sharp). We aren't going to be moving Watkins out of CF position and by all accounts he's a bit of a fitness machine so shouldn't need resting. This is a tough team to get into FINALLY! Just ask Conor scored a goal and got an assist against Fulham and has not played 1 minute since. I actually feel bad for Conor but its a great sign of the strength of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post QldVilla Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2020 Everyone was writing of Luiz before COVID, but you could see glimpses of quality, look at him now. The same was with Wesley, there were glimpses of a quality player, he just needed the same time. it’s going to be a long way back for him, but anyone writing him off is not giving him the chance to show his quality. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, QldVilla said: Everyone was writing of Luiz before COVID, but you could see glimpses of quality, look at him now. The same was with Wesley, there were glimpses of a quality player, he just needed the same time. it’s going to be a long way back for him, but anyone writing him off is not giving him the chance to show his quality. Luiz was always much higher rated though. Highly regarded by Pep even. Wesley wasn't even prolific in Belgium. In regards to Trez improvement. He was also much higher rated. Most Egyptians ranks him as their 2nd best player next to Salah. Edited November 10, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I have always thought he would much better in a pair with 2 strikers. But that is about as fashionable as tinned spam at the moment. I think he will get some game time this season but i am not too sure he if has a long term future at Villa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, QldVilla said: Everyone was writing of Luiz before COVID, but you could see glimpses of quality, look at him now. The same was with Wesley, there were glimpses of a quality player, he just needed the same time. it’s going to be a long way back for him, but anyone writing him off is not giving him the chance to show his quality. Nope, completely disagree. You could see Luiz had something from the start, but he needed time to adjust (like you get at I guess). But Wesley was completely different. Luiz looked composed, great touch, good movement, vision etc. and needed to adjust to the pace of the English game, the physicality, his team mates and the tactics. Ray Charles could spot Luiz was a big talent that needed time. Wesley on the other hand looked like he lacked the very fundamentals. Poor movement, lack of runs, poor shooting, poor heading poor jumping. He had good passing at times and work rate was normally okay (even if he sulked at every challenge) I'll give him that. But ultimately he looked like a lower league CAM forced into a striker role. The idea he was showing the same promise as Luiz and thus will develop accordingly, well lets agree to disagree. Edited November 10, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: I have always thought he would much better in a pair with 2 strikers. But that is about as fashionable as tinned spam at the moment. I think he will get some game time this season but i am not too sure he if has a long term future at Villa. Agreed. Doesn't fit our system. We need a number 9 to challenge Watkins. Wesley is not that player. Much more suited in a 4-4-2 sytem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 A lot of people on here noted the weakness of our bench on Sunday. If Wesley gets fit then our bench will look stronger for that. It's probably where we need to add to in January because it's a long season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I believe its too early to write him off. He had an unthankful job trying to work alone up top. Watkins do have more support than Wesley did. Not sayin Wesley > Watkins, but I believe Wesley could also thrive more with a midfield that is better than previous season. We need the depth he can give us, and he has the potential to become a top player in my eyes. Just hope the injury does not give permanent damage to his abilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hong0311 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Agreed. Doesn't fit our system. We need a number 9 to challenge Watkins. Wesley is not that player. Much more suited in a 4-4-2 sytem. Well if you look at the squad info on our wiki page, it says Wesley is the number 9. Edited November 10, 2020 by hong0311 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Don't think he'll be challenging Watkins for his spot as they play completely different roles. He should be a much better player with much more pace and quality around him. When teams try to sit deeper to nullify our pace he could be very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 What pace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: What pace? You did watch the Arsenal game? We were electric on the break 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: What pace? Sorry, are you trying to say we have no pace in the team? Whilst we may not be the quickest team, the speed of our counter attacks is very concerning for premier league defences. Just ask Arsenal, Liverpool and Fulham. The games against Leicester and Sheffield United were very different as they set up to defend against our rapid counters. I think that’s what @El-Reacho was getting at above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: What pace? I mean the pace of Watkins, Grealish, Barkley. Not his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) I don't think we have abundance of pace no. There's no player that screams pacy either. We got a good first eleven and play some good counter-attacking football, and we especially got some very good ball carriers at speed, but I'd say we do it despite of not being very pacy. Edited November 10, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: I have always thought he would much better in a pair with 2 strikers. But that is about as fashionable as tinned spam at the moment. I think he will get some game time this season but i am not too sure he if has a long term future at Villa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_82 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I don't think we have abundance of pace no. There's no player that screams pacy either. We got a good first eleven and play some good counter-attacking football, and we especially got some very good ball carriers at speed, but I'd say we do it despite of not being very pacy. Trez recorded the 3rd fastest speed behind Adama and Kyle Walker last season and im pretty sure Jack was one of the quickest in early games this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, cb_82 said: Trez recorded the 3rd fastest speed behind Adama and Kyle Walker last season and im pretty sure Jack was one of the quickest in early games this season I'm not go have the top speed vs acceleration debate again, but lets just be clear Trez isn't even remotely one of the fastest players in this league in terms of what's achieved on the pitch. Jack is a lot quicker, but still not especially pacy for a winger or counter-attacking outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I'm not go have the top speed vs acceleration debate again, but lets just be clear Trez isn't even remotely one of the fastest players in this league in terms of what's achieved on the pitch. Jack is a lot quicker, but still not especially pacy for a winger or counter-attacking outfit. He is with the ball at his feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, sidcow said: I find that very disturbing and slightly nauseous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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