Popular Post HeyAnty Posted July 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2019 Rather take a risk on him at 25mill than on someone from France at the same price. Leeds fans are going ape at the prospect of him being sold, this speaks volumes to me. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Rather take a risk on him at 25mill than on someone from France at the same price. Leeds fans are going ape at the prospect of him being sold, this speaks volumes to me. Yep. He'll likely hit the ground running too, rather than needing X amount of time to settle etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Can't imagine there be many DCM's in Ligue 1 valued at £25m or more. Ndombele, Verratti, Paredes (Strootman?, Luiz Gustavo?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: This is everything I'm thinking. Gueye was/is a good player but he wasn't that effective for us. We were a mess though, so it might have been hard for him to really show what he was about. Only the most successful tackles per game in PL last season with 4.3 next best 3.8 and only 5 players 3 or more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Just now, Kiwivillan said: Only the most successful tackles per game in PL last season with 4.3 next best 3.8 and only 5 players 3 or more. I was talking about when he was with us. I haven't watched the prem since we were relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwivillan Posted July 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: I was talking about when he was with us. I haven't watched the prem since we were relegated. He made the highest number of successful tackles and interceptions per match across Europe's top five leagues over the 2016 calendar year. That was with us then Everton. Many people didn't rate him because (A) rest of our team sucked and (B) many football fans do not appreciate the role of DM Edited July 2, 2019 by Kiwivillan 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: He made the highest number of successful tackles and interceptions per match across Europe's top five leagues over the 2016 calendar year. That was with us then Everton. Many people didn't rate him because (A) rest of our team sucked and (B) many football fans do not appreciate the role of DM Veretout also suffered from being tarred by the same brush as the garbage in that squad. Annoys me when people say Gana (Gueye) and Veretout were a "flop". Messi would have flopped in that team. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stephen_Evans said: Veretout also suffered from being tarred by the same brush as the garbage in that squad. Annoys me when people say Gana (Gueye) and Veretout were a "flop". Messi would have flopped in that team. Veretout was awful for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: Veretout was awful for us. Probably because we didn't know how to use a cultured midfielder properly? I think if we signed him now he would suit us just fine and probably do really well. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2019 52 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Rather take a risk on him at 25mill than on someone from France at the same price. Leeds fans are going ape at the prospect of him being sold, this speaks volumes to me. Just asked a Leeds fan at work about him. He said he's very poor on the ball, weak in the tackle, susceptible to a lot of yellow and red cards and known as a bit of a trouble maker and we are best to stay well clear. I could see he was crying inside despite being about 6.5 foot tall and built like a brick toilet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Just asked a Leeds fan at work about him. He said he's very poor on the ball, weak in the tackle, susceptible to a lot of yellow and red cards and known as a bit of a trouble maker and we are best to stay well clear. I could see he was crying inside despite being about 6.5 foot tall and built like a brick toilet. So he is very similar to Grealish then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Veretout was awful for us. At the risk of de-railing, I don't think this is entirely fair. Despite well documented struggles settling and an apparent lack of regard from Timmy of Sherwood, I thought he looked tidy on the ball and offered more movement going forward than most of our squad at that time. His main issue was being "bullied" off the ball, but he seemed to absolutely have game to work on. As did Gueye, as did Amavi. Pretty sure Veretout also ended the season as highest assister (is that a word?) in the squad - which, granted, was probably about 3 that season. I can imagine that Kalvin Phillips would be much more physical and therefore a better fit. Edited July 2, 2019 by bobzy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, bobzy said: At the risk of de-railing, I don't think this is entirely fair. Despite well documented struggles settling and an apparent lack of regard from Timmy of Sherwood, I thought he looked tidy on the ball and offered more movement going forward than most of our squad at that time. His main issue was being "bullied" off the ball, but he seemed to absolutely have game to work on. As did Gueye, as did Amavi. Pretty sure Veretout also ended the season as highest assister (is that a word?) in the squad - which, granted, was probably about 3 that season. I can imagine that Kalvin Phillips would be much more physical and therefore a better fit. Good post. Players like Veretout have talent but are not physically ready for this league. As you said he got bullied off the ball and I remember him looking completely shattered after 60 minutes in his early games. He was a little like how El Ghazi looked when he first started for us last season. So yes there is value to be found abroad if we’re prepared to give the players half a season to adapt to the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Villan4Life said: Just Imagine McGinn & Phillips in midfielder for us like two terrier dogs We will have in midfield the Yorkshire Terrier & Scottish Terrier with Captain Jack in front of them!! The lack of height is an issue. Having someone tall in the centre gives you a chance to get back on the front foot by winning defensive or GK aerial clearences. Also helps on set pieces at both ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Veretout was awful for us. I seem to remember him having a decent number of assists relative to the shite around him, he was quite simply set up to fail here, awful management, awful coaching. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Veretout always had ability. I remember being bemused at how some people seemed to hate him. Then I think back to January and being told by all and sundry that our squad simply wasn't good enough to play the way Smith wanted us to play nor for promotion. Maybe the first part to a degree was correct, but the latter clearly wasn't. So... Football supporters eh. Anyway, is Veretout coming back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Veretout always had ability. I remember being bemused at how some people seemed to hate him. Then I think back to January and being told by all and sundry that our squad simply wasn't good enough to play the way Smith wanted us to play nor for promotion. Maybe the first part to a degree was correct, but the latter clearly wasn't. So... Football supporters eh. Anyway, is Veretout coming back? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: Veretout was awful for us. He also admitted that he decided he wanted out from villa very early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, HeyAnty said: Rather take a risk on him at 25mill than on someone from France at the same price. Leeds fans are going ape at the prospect of him being sold, this speaks volumes to me. Can't agree with that. I can hardly think of a league with more great DMCs the last 25 years than Ligue 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Mcginn is gonna have to step up his hair game if we end up with this dude and grealish in midfield 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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