VillaChris Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: We’ve put ourselves into a position where we can no longer say ‘a loss against spurs won’t be the reason we go down’, referencing the need to only beat the teams around you. We’ve failed to beat the teams around us on too many occasions this season and so we now need to beat the likes of Spurs and Arsenal at home. They’re not ‘must wins’ but it’s going that way.. We need draws as a minimum from two of them and win another. Certainly 5 points from Spurs/Man. United/Chelsea/Arsenal would ease the pressure on the other three which look more likely for points and what we can do away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, VillaChris said: We need draws as a minimum from two of them and win another. Certainly 5 points from Spurs/Man. United/Chelsea/Arsenal would ease the pressure on the other three which look more likely for points and what we can do away. Based on our last performance we won’t get five points off those. we need to match the effort and performance with the right opposition. giving it a really good go against spurs and still losing and not turning up against Bournemouth and losing isn’t right. if rather beat Bournemouth and lose 8-0 to spurs. We need points and we need to be stepping up at the right time. its likely we face Spurs back inside the relegation zone looking upwards not down, that’s why Bournemouth game was so key and why it’s so frustrating watching us collapse inside 45 minutes against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 It's one game. After Man. City thrashing we got a very decent 4 points off Watford-Brighton which could turn out very crucial and also beat Leicester in the cup. No team is just going to breeze to safety. Watford had an amazing run but they're still in the bottom 3 and lost their last two in bad fashion. They're actually got a tough run in but no one could confidently predict their results given the streaky nature of their side. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted February 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2020 55 minutes ago, kidlewis said: Based on our last performance we won’t get five points off those. If we play like we did against Bournemouth then we'll lose every game for the rest of the season. Fortunately, I'm sure we'll be better than that in most of those games. Sometimes teams just have a bad day at the office. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: We’ve put ourselves into a position where we can no longer say ‘a loss against spurs won’t be the reason we go down’, referencing the need to only beat the teams around you. We’ve failed to beat the teams around us on too many occasions this season and so we now need to beat the likes of Spurs and Arsenal at home. They’re not ‘must wins’ but it’s going that way.. Don’t disagree on the importance of winning games against some top half teams (it’s very important and hopefully we start on Sunday) but don’t we have about the best record versus the teams around us? As in, in a mini league of the bottom six or seven aren’t we doing best versus those other teams? That’s my impression precisely BECAUSE we have as many points as the people around us without getting anything vs the top teams. Personally I think we can write off much chance against City (well, that’s done) and Liverpool as most people do but should be taking something somewhere off the rest of the top half. The standard isn’t that good, the likes of Man United, Arsenal etc only have about two or three more wins than us so we should be competing against them despite their more expensive squads etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Im not sure how to find it but someone on here probably could, but id love to know other relegared teams points scores at this stage from prev seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Don’t disagree on the importance of winning games against some top half teams (it’s very important and hopefully we start on Sunday) but don’t we have about the best record versus the teams around us? As in, in a mini league of the bottom six or seven aren’t we doing best versus those other teams? That’s my impression precisely BECAUSE we have as many points as the people around us without getting anything vs the top teams. Personally I think we can write off much chance against City (well, that’s done) and Liverpool as most people do but should be taking something somewhere off the rest of the top half. The standard isn’t that good, the likes of Man United, Arsenal etc only have about two or three more wins than us so we should be competing against them despite their more expensive squads etc etc. That's a bit hard to calculate. An average of 1.6 points per match played against a team in the bottom 6 for us. Brighton has 1.5 West Ham have 2 Bournemouth have 1.3 Watford have 1.4 0.6 for Norwich Edited February 2, 2020 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: If we play like we did against Bournemouth then we'll lose every game for the rest of the season. Fortunately, I'm sure we'll be better than that in most of those games. Sometimes teams just have a bad day at the office. And we have had a huge amount. And when we’ve had a pretty good day we’ve lost against much better teams. if we played like we did against Liverpool and United we’d have smashed Bournemouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said: Im not sure how to find it but someone on here probably could, but id love to know other relegared teams points scores at this stage from prev seasons... 25pts after 25 games 2019 15th-17th were on 24pts 2018 14th-17th were on 24pts 2017 15th was on 24pts 2016 17th was on 24pts. (We were 16pts in 20th the season we got relegated) Edited February 2, 2020 by Kiwivillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 The infuriating thing is if you took those 6 points we absolutely gifted Bournemouth off them and gave them to us we'd be home and dry near enough. Even if you take 5 off them and give us 4 for a win and draw we'd be more comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 53 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said: Im not sure how to find it but someone on here probably could, but id love to know other relegared teams points scores at this stage from prev seasons... One year ago https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47011464 Two years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42842342 Played a game more than now. Three years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38871559 And interestingly the one from 14/15 after we'd just lost 2-0 at Hull which was Lambert's last game: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31106383 This season is only one where after 25 games a team in bottom 3 has had 24 points so certainly higher than usual at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: The infuriating thing is if you took those 6 points we absolutely gifted Bournemouth off them and gave them to us we'd be home and dry near enough. Even if you take 5 off them and give us 4 for a win and draw we'd be more comfortable. The penalty Heaton gave them is one of the most bizarre things I have seen in any season, let alone this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Adam2003 said: Don’t disagree on the importance of winning games against some top half teams (it’s very important and hopefully we start on Sunday) but don’t we have about the best record versus the teams around us? As in, in a mini league of the bottom six or seven aren’t we doing best versus those other teams? That’s my impression precisely BECAUSE we have as many points as the people around us without getting anything vs the top teams. Personally I think we can write off much chance against City (well, that’s done) and Liverpool as most people do but should be taking something somewhere off the rest of the top half. The standard isn’t that good, the likes of Man United, Arsenal etc only have about two or three more wins than us so we should be competing against them despite their more expensive squads etc etc. Actually we have more wins than Arsenal so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Liverpool will most likely already be champions by the time we play them so will be resting players for Champions League and FA cup games. Edited February 3, 2020 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 19 hours ago, GingerCollins29 said: Dont underestimate the mental effect on west ham and watford. West ham 3-0 up in a six pointer, drawing 3-3. Watford 2-0 up and losing to a last min winner to 10 men Watford have two league last minute defeats on the spin, with a loss away at Tranmere in between. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Liverpool will most likely already be champions by the time we play them so will be resting players for Champions League and FA cup games. West Ham have a decent run-in though. They have also signed some more quality during January to bolster their squad. I hope that Samatta and Baston can give us the goal threat and hold the ball up like we need, to release some pressure on the rest of the team. The good thing about Watford and West Ham is that their new manager bounce is now over and they can hopefully get back to the reality of just being pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 12 hours ago, useless said: Just beating the teams around us was never going to be enough, if you consider the bottom six beside ourselves, to be 'the teams around us', then even if we somehow managed to beat all of those, that would still only be eighteen points for the whole season. The reason we're not in the bottom three now is because we've taken four points off Burnley (11th), beat Newcastle (12th), and Everton (9th), and also drew with Man Utd (7th). Hopefully us beating Leicester in the cup will give us some confidence that we can beat some of the so called 'top six' teams as well. Yeah, I believe We can beat anybody, just need all those small details to go in our favour- which they never do. Look at that Liverpool game. 1 defeat in 2 seasons, beat everyone before them, back to back CL finals, world club champions. They come to VP, we have no Grealish yet take a lead and fight for everything. This was a game where everything was actually going our way for once- Firminos goal given as offside, they missed sitter after sitter. It was going to be that day we shocked the world yet we still contrived to lose it in the last minute. But could easily have been 3 points. We just switch off, make errors and always pay for them. But on our good days we can beat anyone. We had our chances at Bournemouth but the whole backline had stinkers so we paid the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Liverpool will most likely already be champions by the time we play them so will be resting players for Champions League and FA cup games. Klopp is a winner. Even when they are champions he won't allow complacency sneak in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Bookies have us down as the next fav to go down after Norwich! Must be after this shit show of a performance on the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, supermon said: Bookies have us down as the next fav to go down after Norwich! Must be after this shit show of a performance on the weekend Or maybe because Us and Norwich got the joint worst defensive record in the league. Seriously. It's not rocket science. If you have the worst defensive record you are likely to go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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