Popular Post Rightdm00 Posted January 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2021 Hilarious that everyone has piled in here when if you take one look at the replay Konsa let's Martial just stroll in front of him for a free header. Should Mings have not taken that extra step and been out of position for the clearance...Yes. Should Konsa have not allowed Martial to get goal side without even a bump or a shout...Yes. Usually that is how goals get conceded. Mutliple defenders making mistakes. That's even before you look at how our midfield was so easily bypassed. Not to be rude but I feel like this level of blame on such a soft error is clear bias. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Hilarious that everyone has piled in here when if you take one look at the replay Konsa let's Martial just stroll in front of him for a free header. Should Mings have not taken that extra step and been out of position for the clearance...Yes. Should Konsa have not allowed Martial to get goal side without even a bump or a shout...Yes. Usually that is how goals get conceded. Mutliple defenders making mistakes. That's even before you look at how our midfield was so easily bypassed. Not to be rude but I feel like this level of blame on such a soft error is clear bias. no one has piled in, most people just state facts, in this case he came back and made an error that most believe directly cost us a goal today. But as soon as anyone criticises him as many people 'pile in' defending him. Be nice if there was a bit of balance but he's not being scape goated, this is a discussion forum all players get discussed if they have a negative or positive impact on a game. not a fan of the brum mail but they hit the nail on the head below. TYRONE MINGS - 5 Straight back into the side after serving his one-match ban and started well as he blocked and cleared United's attacks forward. Mings, though, was at fault for Martial's opener after failing to clear at the near post which allowed the Frenchman to score. Mings appeared to get his feet in a muddle which stopped him from getting any contact on the ball. Mings was fortunate to get in ahead of the recently-impressive Hause for this one. His mistake was costly. The England man rallied the troops until the end, though, as he always does. Missed a decent chance from Cash's late free-kick. Edited January 1, 2021 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2021 He's still one of our best two centrebacks. But he's very much 2nd now imo. Generally ok tonight but I thought he was poor for their first goal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: He's still one of our best two centrebacks. But he's very much 2nd now imo. Generally ok tonight but I thought he was poor for their first goal. a balanced opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) I dont think the goal was as bad an error as is being made out, he ran too far back and then couldn't re-adjust to the cutback cross. It happens. Martial just happened to be in the one spot where mings and konsa couldnt affect him. P.S. Martial is a lazy bag of shite. Over rated, over paid rubbish that should have been binned off from united years ago. Edited January 1, 2021 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MentalM Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2021 Shit happens, i still love the guy and what he brings 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, villa89 said: I dont think the goal was as bad an error as is being made out, he ran too far back and then couldn't re-adjust to the cutback cross. It happens. Martial just happened to be in the one spot where mings and konsa couldnt affect him. P.S. Martial is a lazy bag of shite. Over rated, over paid rubbish that should have been binned off from united years ago. I’d argue that the goal is more of a Konsa error than a Mings one. Martial has run off Konsa completely and left him free in the box. If Mings was stood further from the goal there’s no reason why the cross couldn’t have been played in behind him to Martial. For me Konsa is in control of that situation and just lets Martial drift off him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 58 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Hilarious that everyone has piled in here when if you take one look at the replay Konsa let's Martial just stroll in front of him for a free header. Should Mings have not taken that extra step and been out of position for the clearance...Yes. Should Konsa have not allowed Martial to get goal side without even a bump or a shout...Yes. Usually that is how goals get conceded. Mutliple defenders making mistakes. That's even before you look at how our midfield was so easily bypassed. Not to be rude but I feel like this level of blame on such a soft error is clear bias. But there is a pattern ,where we concede so many headed goals. I.e Chelsea do we not like heading the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fun Factory Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2021 Looks like Tyrone is turning into this seasons scapegoat. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: no one has piled in, most people just state facts, in this case he came back and made an error that most believe directly cost us a goal today. But as soon as anyone criticises him as many people 'pile in' defending him. Be nice if there was a bit of balance but he's not being scape goated, this is a discussion forum all players get discussed if they have a negative or positive impact on a game. not a fan of the brum mail but they hit the nail on the head below. TYRONE MINGS - 5 Straight back into the side after serving his one-match ban and started well as he blocked and cleared United's attacks forward. Mings, though, was at fault for Martial's opener after failing to clear at the near post which allowed the Frenchman to score. Mings appeared to get his feet in a muddle which stopped him from getting any contact on the ball. Mings was fortunate to get in ahead of the recently-impressive Hause for this one. His mistake was costly. The England man rallied the troops until the end, though, as he always does. Missed a decent chance from Cash's late free-kick. A player rating is literally an opinion no different than yours or mine. Clean sheet or goal conceded the pile on is the same here. My point remains their were numerous faults for that goal. To solely attribute that blame to Mings is as bad as that penalty decision for the 2nd ManU goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I don't think pointing out a player's faults is an agenda. The thing with Mings is that I genuinely think he has the ability to play for England. Whereas Targett does not have the ability to play for England imo. But contrast the two. Targett doesn't do reckless things and plays within his limitations, and has clearly improved positionally which for me is a sign that our coaching is working, and he listens to it. Last year he was our weak link. Mings was undoubtedly our best defender from when he signed until resumption. No question. He knows that though and for me he plays like he knows it (or at least knew it). He is petulant and easily wound-up (Zaha, Zlatan) and doesn't learn from it, leading him to do reckless things like stamping on people (for me he went for Zaha) and elbowing players (what was he doing today?!). He overplays at the back, takes countless too many touches and at times acts as if he is going to be the creator and he won't release the ball til he's pinged a 70 yard diag to the runner who inevitably rarely connects with it. He needs to be told to give it to the better players to build attacks. Or simply work it out for himself. If he did his job, which is defend and move the ball quickly (which he is perfectly capable of doing), he is as good if not better than Konsa. But for a while he has thought he is better than he is, which is why dropping Hause was the wrong thing on many levels. He also has a 50p head lol, ball just seems to fly in all directions when he heads it. Though that is not something which I am being critical of! Edited January 2, 2021 by gilbertoAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, TRO said: But there is a pattern ,where we concede so many headed goals. I.e Chelsea do we not like heading the ball? We allow teams to operate on the flanks. That's the cost of pushing our fullbacks so high up the pitch when we are on the attack. For me, you take the good with the bad. Our defensive strategy works more than not. No complaints there. Our problem is the inability to score our chances. We do that and at worst we draw, more than likely we win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Rightdm00 said: We allow teams to operate on the flanks. That's the cost of pushing our fullbacks so high up the pitch when we are on the attack. For me, you take the good with the bad. Our defensive strategy works more than not. No complaints there. Our problem is the inability to score our chances. We do that and at worst we draw, more than likely we win. We miss too many easy chances. I'm pretty sure that xg thing works out easy chances etc and we're near the top of that league. In fact pretty sure Mings had a very good chance today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: We allow teams to operate on the flanks. That's the cost of pushing our fullbacks so high up the pitch when we are on the attack. For me, you take the good with the bad. Our defensive strategy works more than not. No complaints there. Our problem is the inability to score our chances. We do that and at worst we draw, more than likely we win. Yes we miss far too many chances. If we converted some, Jack's assists would rocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, TRO said: But there is a pattern ,where we concede so many headed goals. I.e Chelsea do we not like heading the ball? Poor effort from both CBs on that goal but we have the third best defence in the Premier League. The pattern is we don’t concede many goals at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: A player rating is literally an opinion no different than yours or mine. Clean sheet or goal conceded the pile on is the same here. My point remains their were numerous faults for that goal. To solely attribute that blame to Mings is as bad as that penalty decision for the 2nd ManU goal Yep but most opinions if you read online blame Ming's for that goal. Doesn't mean it's a personal insult or that he's not a good player, expectations are high of him as he has been our talisman and could easily captain the side and I'm sure he would if Grealish ever was unavailable. Even good players make mistakes. Luiz clearly got too close to Pogba and it was all too easy for him to fall over. Konsa probably doesn't get as much criticism as he's still relatively young and finding his feet in that partnership. But he has made errors just Ming's for some reason this season have been more unfortunate and costly. I wouldnt drop him either but I am still frustrated with him. Edited January 2, 2021 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, villa89 said: I dont think the goal was as bad an error as is being made out, he ran too far back and then couldn't re-adjust to the cutback cross. It happens. Martial just happened to be in the one spot where mings and konsa couldnt affect him. P.S. Martial is a lazy bag of shite. Over rated, over paid rubbish that should have been binned off from united years ago. Pretty much, its Mings so its a 1000 times worse than other mistakes. I have said it before the Mings criticism has escalated since he started standing up for racism Fair criticism is fine but he was criticized on here a few weeks back for costing us a game when losing the ball 85 yards from goal and Burnley didnt even score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: We miss too many easy chances. I'm pretty sure that xg thing works out easy chances etc and we're near the top of that league. In fact pretty sure Mings had a very good chance today. Had that chance gone in, it would have been reviewed by VAR and probably ruled out as Mings appeared to be fouling their player in the process of getting his head to the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 This thread is bizarre. All these posts regarding: “agendas”, “scape-goating” & “hate” seem a lot more numerous and OTT than any opinion to contrary I’ve read on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 hours ago, MentalM said: Shit happens, i still love the guy and what he brings What does he actually bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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