villalad21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, AVTuco said: He's shown nothing to be given time for. I don't trust him one bit. Next. We'll find the right one eventually. Terry till the end of the season and cash out for Brendan Rodgers in the summer. I'm sick and tired of this crap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, jjaacckk91 said: He quite simply has to get more out of these players, grealish or not I can't understand why we as a team refuse to play any football and just lump it up the pitch. The results haven't been great but I didn't expect much after Bruce anyway, it's the performances that are difficult to ignore. Bar that month or so where we looked good we've been **** dreadful either side. This season looks just about done for us now, so get the guys who will be here next year in the 11 and get us developing a brand of football that can win is the league next year. Your last paragraph: That's exactly what needs to be done. I said it some games ago and think we need to forget this notion of chasing promotion and try different thing. I can see that different things were tried tonight and that's what needs to happen. It's just that trying those different things, doesn't always lead to the results we want, it's more about stumbling on something that clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, hippo said: We are on a downward spiral in every sense. If he doesn't pull us out of this slump he won't be here next season, plan, vision , identity or not. They’ve already started making signings for next season. There is no way they will sack him in the summer. If we are still playing like this in October/November then I think questions will need to be asked, but not yet. Lets not forget that Smith has produced our (probably) 2 best away performances since relegation at Derby and Middlesbrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I was not the biggest fan of his appointment and am still skeptical on him. I think, however, that we need to give him some time to build the squad his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, AshVilla said: The only way i can see smith getting sacked this season is if he's completely lost the dressing room. Losing the dressing room is frankly not really such a big deal since only a handful of these players will be here next season. But Smith really need to show a lot more to warrant a crack at it next season. 3 more months of this and I'm not sure he is the one to manage us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Someone rightfully pointed out that he played an integral part in building that Brentford side. There is no doubting that Brentford have a great "system", but before putting all of Brentford success down to their system, ask why they had chosen him to LEAD said system it if he is/was as useless as some on here want me to believe? Not just Brentford, almost every other team in this League just seem to be "fresher" than us. This needs a full rebuild ffs. The type of rebuild which should have been done years ago! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: in fairness Di Matteo had a full pre-season and transfer window, he also had the biggest idiots running the club at the time Can’t help but feel if we had given Di Matteo the same amount of patience as Bruce we would be back in the Premier League now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, thejoker said: They’ve already started making signings for next season. There is no way they will sack him in the summer. If we are still playing like this in October/November then I think questions will need to be asked, but not yet. Lets not forget that Smith has produced our (probably) 2 best away performances since relegation at Derby and Middlesbrough. October/November???? What are you on about? Can you really take this shite for another 3/4 of a year? If he doesn't turn this around and get us on a winning path before the end of the season, he should definitely go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Clubs often adapt to losing outstanding players. Very often they improve cause they develop as a unit rather than depend on an individual. Losing Grealish will be shit, but it does not bother me the slightest. If he wants to go, let him go. Grealish only started 19 games last season and we didn't do too badly... He has already started 21 games this season. He is not the cause, or answer to all of our problems 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Thing is he lost Grealish and then hasn’t changed the system to reflect this personally I don’t want to see us lining up with a DM , I’d rather we replaced it with a second striker , Abraham is so isolated the season is over ( it kinda was weeks ago ) so let’s bin the Kodjia , Adomah , Whelan type players who won’t be here next season ... and play people who will fight for the ball and each other I don’t think Green is gonna make it here , but equally 12 or so starts might at least confirm one way or another Edited February 13, 2019 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Dean Smith said at his first press conference that he earned his right to be here. Fair enough, and now he need to earn his right to keep his job in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, thejoker said: They’ve already started making signings for next season. There is no way they will sack him in the summer. If we are still playing like this in October/November then I think questions will need to be asked, but not yet. Lets not forget that Smith has produced our (probably) 2 best away performances since relegation at Derby and Middlesbrough. Of course they will. If he only wins a couple more games this season - and suffers a few tankings - he's a goner mate. Smith is no different to any other manager in that respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, sne said: Losing the dressing room is frankly not really such a big deal since only a handful of these players will be here next season. But Smith really need to show a lot more to warrant a crack at it next season. 3 more months of this and I'm not sure he is the one to manage us. I think it is - If he loses the dressing room with these players, whats to say he won't loose it with his own recruits ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sne said: Losing the dressing room is frankly not really such a big deal since only a handful of these players will be here next season. But Smith really need to show a lot more to warrant a crack at it next season. 3 more months of this and I'm not sure he is the one to manage us. If i had a time machine i'd fast forward and get this season out the way. It's painful to watch now not just from a footballing perspective as a fan, but also if you consider the stupid decisions that have been made by the club to get us in this situation in the first place. Someone mentioned in another thread that Norwich have only spent something like 3 mill this season and look where they are now compared to us who have spent upwards of 60 million since we have been down here with no visible improvement. It's really dreadful stuff and quite disgraceful but it also fills me with hope that if they can do it on a stringshoe budget and Cardiff can we could do also with the right man and i think Dean is that man. Edited February 13, 2019 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AshVilla said: The only way i can see smith getting sacked this season is if he's completely lost the dressing room. Were not going down and were not getting promoted so the club will make the sensible decision and give him more time and back him otherwise what was the point in getting him in the first place? He's not a quick fix promotion specialist us going up this season was a bonus if anything and the club wanted him for the long term should we fall short. If he does lose the dressing room then you have to ask why he lost it in the first place and maybe look at the attitude of the players. He could be instructing them to play in a certain way for all we know but they are completely ignoring him. I get that managing people with big ego's is part of the job, but if we have half a dozen players at the end of their career knowing their contract won't be renewed what do they have to fight for exactly? This is our team currently.... I agree there are too many players who, at best, have their futures up in the air. That can’t be beneficial for the atmosphere around the squad. I wonder, once it’s a dead cert that play offs are gone (mathematically) that we’ll see a few of the younger faces, players who may well be here and feature for us next season. The experienced players failed, so their time has gone and now we look to the younger prospects. If that did happen maybe that would be indicative as to what the club are thinking. Edit - I should say that I don’t think Smith would go before the end of the season (unless there was an almighty **** up). I was thinking more of a decision, post season. Edited February 13, 2019 by Shropshire Lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Yep. An utter mess of a squad. I actually thought at the start of the season, it was a squad capable of finishing comfortably top 6. It really isn't. The money bruce wasted to leave us with this mess is shocking. That's on point. There are some here who refuse to blame the past manager and see it for what it is which is a pile of crap from the past being taught and nothing is hitting home. I'd say we have more than many who are uncoachable, I would say we have more than many who can't hack this league. Ask yourselves how many of our players would the championship teams take on at this exact moment. Even bruce stayed away from coming for any of his rejects he bought in, now that's saying something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Also, I'm no longer concerned about Grealish and another season in the Championship. I don't think Grealish goes this summer. He hasn't done enough (yet) to warrant the price tag I imagine we'll have on him. That being said, if he does get nabbed then we can put that money to good use. There are plenty of positions we need to invest money in and we can't be a one player team. Smith can either build a team around him next season or use the cash to invest in other young talent. Win-win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dave-R said: For me it was Mings and Kalanic who raised the bar in the team tonight. When only two players are managing to shine then you know there are serious problems with the certain players that none of us can deny. The only reason I don't include Tammy in that bunch who I'd get rid of is because if we had a working midfield, he would be getting delivery alot more. In fact our midfield gets trampled on each game. I also said in January let's buy maupay, couldn't of cared how much it cost, he was well worth it and he came to bite us in the ass, buy for summer I say. Absolutely ridiculous statement. If you think they performed as they did solely because Of Maupay, then I’m lost. You think if we swapped Maupay for Abraham tonight, then we’d have dominated the possession and play in the final 3rd tonight? Honestly? If anything Brentford were wasteful with there half chances, perhaps Abraham would have won it clearer from them. This thinking frustrates me no end. These idiotic buys (see Kodija, McCormack and Hogan) have to and will stop. Wake up, we ain’t got the parachute payments to be spunking 15-20 million on one player and funding Brentford’s move to their nice new stadium. No individual player is going to come in and sort this out. We need to buy mutliple players with energy and tenacity, who can actually pass and move. Not the leading scorer, overhyped championship flavour of the season every transfer window. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 In his interview he seems to be getting very defensive. Clinging on to "positives" and going on about how Brentford's style was 2-3 years in the making (so all his work). Not a good sign IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, AVTuco said: October/November???? What are you on about? Can you really take this shite for another 3/4 of a year? We do get the summer off 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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