hippo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 We are on a downward spiral in every sense. If he doesn't pull us out of this slump he won't be here next season, plan, vision , identity or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: "Smith out" is massively OTT and unfair. I don't like what I'm seeing personally but he absolutely needs a lot more time. He's shown nothing to be given time for. I don't trust him one bit. Next. We'll find the right one eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: The problem is frankly if we don’t go up this year we lose Jack and you can see where we are without him Clubs often adapt to losing outstanding players. Very often they improve cause they develop as a unit rather than depend on an individual. Losing Grealish will be shit, but it does not bother me the slightest. If he wants to go, let him go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 For me it was Mings and Kalanic who raised the bar in the team tonight. When only two players are managing to shine then you know there are serious problems with the certain players that none of us can deny. The only reason I don't include Tammy in that bunch who I'd get rid of is because if we had a working midfield, he would be getting delivery alot more. In fact our midfield gets trampled on each game. I also said in January let's buy maupay, couldn't of cared how much it cost, he was well worth it and he came to bite us in the ass, buy for summer I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, supermon said: Di Matteo got sacked for similar results, now I'm not suggest we sack him but really not impressed with Dean Smith so far. What are they working on during training. in fairness Di Matteo had a full pre-season and transfer window, he also had the biggest idiots running the club at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Smith's biggest problem is consistency of player performance. For example, look at Friday. Whelan supposedly helps turn the game.....starts him tonight and he has no where near the same impact as Friday. That has been the story with so many of the squad since late December! Edited February 13, 2019 by New_Hope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Definitely not a penalty. They had the better shout for a penalty if anything. I really don't know what to say. I'm a firm believer that Smith should get a summer and a chance to build his squad, but I'm a realist. If performances don't pick up, of course Christian and the owners have a tough decision to make. I had concerns when we were linked with Smith as to how much he did at Brentford. There is a lot to be said about their coaching system rather than the figurehead. I want him to have a fair crack of the whip and a summer, but he has to give us something. Results aren't as awful as some make out compared to others, but christ those performances.. The last 2/3 games have made my eyes bleed and I believe the bulk of our squad aren't up to scratch, but we've gone from steamrolling some top teams to rolling over to everyone. Everything we do is slow, laboured, without desire or a clear system of what we're doing. Whenever we're in possession we're more likely to pass it to the opposition or long ball it back to their defence than we are to string some good passing together. Concerning. He should get time, but it's tough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Season is over, I want him to come out and bollock them. He must know the fans are beginning to question him, so come out and say it how it is. Majority of these useless **** cretins are out of contract in the summer so we don't need to stress about resale value, just tell them how shit they are and put them in the Under 12's girls team. (I realise the above will not happen, but venting felt good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, AshVilla said: The players reverting to type when the pressure is on is not his fault imo. It's human nature to do what your comfortable with when under pressure and this team has been comfortable playing shite football for the past few seasons and grinding out results. Dean Smith is not this type of manager and he simply does not have the tools at his disposal to do his job currently, lets not be short sighted and sack him before he's even had one summer window and a preseason. If people are angry they should blame the previous regime for taking a gamble, failing and in the process saddling us with a bunch of aged hasbeens on fat wages with nothing to play for being critical of a manager who has been here for less than six months and had to work under these restrictions is incredibly harsh. I agree with your message but the problem is that I think we can do better than this, even with the recent history of not playing any football. As I've said before, we'll be wiping the stains of RDM and Bruce wastage off us for years and years. I'll give a bit of slack but performances like that are not acceptable. Just as aren't when we comeback to draw them 3-3, and weren't when we were winning them 1-0 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Only question for the board really is do we give him the summer or replace him now Unless he halts our slide down the table that will become a pretty easy decision IMO. What could save him is if the play off places get tied up and we win a few meaningless games towards the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, New_Hope said: We're we as bad as the 3-0 thrashing 2 seasons ago or the 2-1 loss last year?? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjaacckk91 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 He quite simply has to get more out of these players, grealish or not I can't understand why we as a team refuse to play any football and just lump it up the pitch. The results haven't been great but I didn't expect much after Bruce anyway, it's the performances that are difficult to ignore. Bar that month or so where we looked good we've been **** dreadful either side. This season looks just about done for us now, so get the guys who will be here next year in the 11 and get us developing a brand of football that can win is the league next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, hippo said: Unless he halts our slide down the table that will become a pretty easy decision IMO. What could save him is if the play off places get tied up and we win a few meaningless games towards the end of the season. technically we havent really moved from our current position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Clubs often adapt to losing outstanding players. Very often they improve cause they develop as a unit rather than depend on an individual. Losing Grealish will be shit, but it does not bother me the slightest. If he wants to go, let him go. Maybe to learn our lessons, this is what we need, to learn again how to play without the likes of Grealish. The lad has been our backbone for so long, that it's easy to see we rely on him. I bet there's more about we rely on him in the media because it's that obvious now. Personally we need to cash in on him, let him go do his thing and we need to become a team again and find our way. We're lost and that's the story at the moment, finding our way is going to be a Rocky type saga.. Edited February 13, 2019 by Dave-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: "Smith out" is massively OTT and unfair. I don't like what I'm seeing personally but he absolutely needs a lot more time. Just how kids are these days. Expect everything over night. We are undergoing fundamental changes at the club in terms of philosophy, style of play etc. Things will take time. There will be more losses. My only anger atm. is why Hourihane is on the pitch and why we aren't using more youths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: I’m genuinely curious DCJ, can you feasibly envisage a situation where the club decide that they’ve backed the wrong horse in Smith and decide to act, before or by the summer? Or do you think that, even if the next 14 games are like the last 12, they’ll stick with him? It’s a long haul job and the board are fully behind sticking with it. Like I say, I’m not Smith out, I can get behind the idea of this being a long term project (although my enthusiasm is being tested at the moment) but I can’t say hand on heart that I don’t fear for his job if this continues. The only way i can see smith getting sacked this season is if he's completely lost the dressing room. Were not going down and were not getting promoted so the club will make the sensible decision and give him more time and back him otherwise what was the point in getting him in the first place? He's not a quick fix promotion specialist us going up this season was a bonus if anything and the club wanted him for the long term should we fall short. If he does lose the dressing room then you have to ask why he lost it in the first place and maybe look at the attitude of the players. He could be instructing them to play in a certain way for all we know but they are completely ignoring him. I get that managing people with big ego's is part of the job, but if we have half a dozen players at the end of their career knowing their contract won't be renewed what do they have to fight for exactly? This is our team currently.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Reminds me of Paul Lambert. Likable but tactically inept. Edited February 13, 2019 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, bobzy said: Obviously not true, otherwise we wouldn't have been in for him. I can only assume you've changed your mind on us having a far superior squad, by the way. Never said far superior, though some on here think we have a far superior coach, though i'm a little unsure. There's lots of managers out there that could do a job with all there own players. Smith was brought in because he was a good coach, who's he made good so far, Hause, Davis, the youth?? Next season he'll have no, Grealish, possibly no Tuanzabe, McGinn, Abraham. So I truely hope some of you are right about his quality, Cause damm you, he'll seriously need to be "the special one" next season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Just how kids are these days. Expect everything over night. We are undergoing fundamental changes at the club in terms of philosophy, style of play etc. Things will take time. There will be more losses. My only anger atm. is why Hourihane is on the pitch and why we aren't using more youths. How do you know this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Whilst i'm not "Smith Out" unless there is a significant improvement before Summer i'd replace him. Whilst our team may not be world beaters they can certainly do better than recent performances and 2 wins in 12. The continual regression in performances and team cohesion is very worrying, it's starting to feel like every game has been our worst game under him. We can't afford another season with the wrong manager. But as said he at least gets until the end of the season, this season is now a write off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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