foreveryoung Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Discussing this on Talksport today. He definitely should have come off as soon as he got the injury, Villa didn't follow the correct protocol for Concussion injuries. McGinn was complaining he felt dizzy but they left him on until he couldn't play no more, not a good move really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Discussing this on Talksport today. He definitely should have come off as soon as he got the injury, Villa didn't follow the correct protocol for Concussion injuries. McGinn was complaining he felt dizzy but they left him on until he couldn't play no more, not a good move really. What is their sauce for all this? Trust me bro? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I mean **** me you honestly believe McGinn complained he felt dizzy and our medical staff left him on the pitch regardless? In 2021? If so, I may have a bridge you’ll be interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 47 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I mean **** me you honestly believe McGinn complained he felt dizzy and our medical staff left him on the pitch regardless? In 2021? If so, I may have a bridge you’ll be interested in. Yeah but some bloke on Talksport said. Almost got me to call in too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Ah, why didn’t you say it was Some Bloke. He’s usually reliable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I mean **** me you honestly believe McGinn complained he felt dizzy and our medical staff left him on the pitch regardless? In 2021? If so, I may have a bridge you’ll be interested in. The Guardian Football Podcast mentioned it earlier in the week also. Apparently Smith said post game that his decision to keep McGinn on "was guided by the player". Medical team need to do an assessment and make the call in these situations. Something we need to improve immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On field Concussion test like ACL test on knees are not 100%. They rely some bit on the player providing feedback to the trainers. Football is especially tough because the trainer only has a limited amount of time to make the assessment. In American Football players talk all the time of fooling the test so they can carry on. Barring introducing timeouts to football or allowing unlimited substitutions, which would allow for more in depth assessments, on field concussion test will always be heavily reliant on player feedback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 19/09/2021 at 13:51, sne said: When I saw it yesterday I thought it was a cheekbone fracture or something like that rather than a concussion but if it was a concussion he should have been taken off asap. well a cheekbone fracture could lead to a concussion - as could a heavy fall that impacts the neck/head area (whiplash like). Football needs to get better at these types of things and be more like rugby where a player automatically has to go off to do the the concussion protocol tests before being allowed back on - not the physio having a look in the heat of the battle as it were, and letting a player carry on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Rightdm00 said: On field Concussion test like ACL test on knees are not 100%. They rely some bit on the player providing feedback to the trainers. Football is especially tough because the trainer only has a limited amount of time to make the assessment. In American Football players talk all the time of fooling the test so they can carry on. Barring introducing timeouts to football or allowing unlimited substitutions, which would allow for more in depth assessments, on field concussion test will always be heavily reliant on player feedback. Exactly. What do doctors usually do before running more in depth tests? They ask the patient for feedback. What we as a club could do in retrospect here is have the medical team remind the players of the dangers of head injuries to get them to think twice about ignoring their own signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 The Premier League are apparently satisfied with Villa’s explanation and won’t look into it further. It’s the charity Headway who were concerned and are asking for rolling concussion subs (rather than making a permanent concussion sub) to allow player to be properly assessed off pitch. I think that’s a good idea. I was at the game, and I’m sure we did follow protocol but even to me it was clear he was struggling from the first knock. I couldn’t work out what was wrong with him but he wasn’t right. I think we left him on the pitch too long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 McGinn said he was fine to continue at first but then when he said he felt dizzy he was subbed off straight away. Seems like the absolute right thing to do to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 How can anyone think that a professional, elite level football club would continue to play a £40m+ asset if they had a head injury and a concussion? In what world is this a believable story? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Is he allowed to be considered for selection this weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Some good news yesterday in that he’s confirmed as being fit to play this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: Some good news yesterday in that he’s confirmed as being fit to play this weekend. Good news, unfortunate for Nakamba who I think would’ve definitely took his place tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Talksport sensationalism. There is no way our medical team leave him on if there is a genuine suspicion of concussion. They have to assess in the moment, it did actually look innocuous, so if added to McGinn saying he was OK and them not having a brain scanner on the pitch with them to pick up something that isnt manifest, it points to him being OK to carry on, just a run-of-the-mill knock. As soon as it got worse, or other symptoms manifested, they whipped him off. I don’t think there is a story here? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 On 23/09/2021 at 02:15, Hornso said: The Guardian Football Podcast mentioned it earlier in the week also. Apparently Smith said post game that his decision to keep McGinn on "was guided by the player". Medical team need to do an assessment and make the call in these situations. Something we need to improve immediately. Without an MRI machine I'm not sure what else they're supposed to be guided by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichiBoi11 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 hours ago, thunderball said: Talksport sensationalism. There is no way our medical team leave him on if there is a genuine suspicion of concussion. They have to assess in the moment, it did actually look innocuous, so if added to McGinn saying he was OK and them not having a brain scanner on the pitch with them to pick up something that isnt manifest, it points to him being OK to carry on, just a run-of-the-mill knock. As soon as it got worse, or other symptoms manifested, they whipped him off. I don’t think there is a story here? There's definitely no story here. McGinn was complaining about a pain in his cheekbone following the initial knock, that's why he took the tablets, but a bruised cheekbone isn't a sign of concussion, he said he felt fine just hadp ain there specifically. As soon as he said he felt dizzy he was subbed. The medical staff aren't clairvoyants, and neither are the players. If I'd taken a knock in a game, but thought it was just something as basic as a bruised cheek I definitely wouldn't want to be subbed either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Without an MRI machine I'm not sure what else they're supposed to be guided by? I guess it’s how you interpret that statement. If they’ve gone through the required level of assessment that’s great. If by guided by the player they’ve asked him if he’s right to carry on and he’s said yes and that’s the deciding factor that’s not great. From other info posted on here since it sounds like it’s the former, but the podcast didn’t make it out like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hornso said: I guess it’s how you interpret that statement. If they’ve gone through the required level of assessment that’s great. If by guided by the player they’ve asked him if he’s right to carry on and he’s said yes and that’s the deciding factor that’s not great. From other info posted on here since it sounds like it’s the former, but the podcast didn’t make it out like that. Not being funny, but how exactly do you test for concussion during a game without being guided by the player? Surely you have to ask them questions about how they're feeling to establish whether or not there is a concussion risk? "Do you have a headache?" "Are you feeling dizzy?" "Can you stand up?" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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