JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If it was a straight choice between Sam and Bruce i'd take Sam any day as I said at the time. However we have passed that stage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) Big Sam got West Ham promoted on his first attempt and stabilized them in the Premier League. You can't argue with that. Big Sam is a mid table manager in the Prem, Bruce has been a failure in the Prem. I rate Allardyce much higher than i rate Bruce. Edited February 16, 2019 by villalad21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Another wasted season. I actually hope Grealish leaves for a club which can offer him a real opportunity this summer. All our useful players except McGinn are here on loan. There is no reason to feel optimistic right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, Raymond said: Another wasted season. I actually hope Grealish leaves for a club which can offer him a real opportunity this summer. All our useful players except McGinn are here on loan. There is no reason to feel optimistic right now. Shut up Raymond. Like any fan would actually HOPE we sell our best player. Idiotic comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Another season of "rebuild" to look forward to then with doubtless a worst squad next season and also doubtless we will conspire to get a worse manager. Sure would be nice to have our club actually have an upward trajectory for a change. Yeah I am just moaning but ffs, its all been a bit much hasnt it? We have achieved nothing for such a long time now. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 We have to do like Leeds now and acquire a big name manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Tribute to the fans’ sense of humour that this thread is still in the first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Another season of "rebuild" to look forward to then with doubtless a worst squad next season and also doubtless we will conspire to get a worse manager. Sure would be nice to have our club actually have an upward trajectory for a change. Yeah I am just moaning but ffs, its all been a bit much hasnt it? We have achieved nothing for such a long time now. Sigh. I get the feeling it may well take 2 or 3 years before we seriously challenge again - there is a massive rebuild needed in the coming windows and it will probably take time to gel . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Eastie said: I get the feeling it may well take 2 or 3 years before we seriously challenge again - there is a massive rebuild needed in the coming windows and it will probably take time to gel . Me too, FWIW I think we will what Man City, Leeds and Forest did and drop to league 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Lock it. Open the relegation thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If the board act now play offs is still achievable. It's only 6 points and we have all the big teams around us to play. The new manager bounce will take us to wembley! I would defiantly be fluttering my eyelids at arsene wenger, but wouldn't rule out big sam. I've always thought he would end up here at Villa one day. However I don't think these owners give a shit. They want Villa to be a brentford style feeder club....picking up cast offs from the premiership giving them 40 games in the champ before selling them for 15mil. They should be on their private jets tonight coming to sort out the **** mess they created. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, screwdriver said: If the board act now play offs is still achievable. It's only 6 points and we have all the big teams around us to play. The new manager bounce will take us to wembley! I would defiantly be fluttering my eyelids at arsene wenger, but wouldn't rule out big sam. I've always thought he would end up here at Villa one day. However I don't think these owners give a shit. They want Villa to be a brentford style feeder club....picking up cast offs from the premiership giving them 40 games in the champ before selling them for 15mil. They should be on their private jets tonight coming to sort out the **** mess they created. Yes, sack managers every 10 games and secure infinite new manager effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted February 17, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, screwdriver said: If the board act now play offs is still achievable. It's only 6 points and we have all the big teams around us to play. It's an interesting opinion, but I disagree with this - we're now seven points behind two teams in reasonable form who each have two games in hand - in real terms, I think it's sensible to assume we're likely to be at least eleven points behind with thirteen games left. If one of those two teams keep picking up points at the rate they have been they'll get another twenty from those thirteen games. That would leave us needed thirty-one points from those thirteen games to match them - so, provided neither of those sides go on a run, ten wins, a draw and couple of defeats would give us a shot. Unfortunately, two things are true, firstly, as you rightly state, we still have to play most of the divisions better teams, and secondly, Jose Mourinho couldn't get ten wins from this squad, Pep couldn't, you could bring back Sir Alf Ramsey and this squad isn't good enough to win ten out of thirteen. When you say "if the board act now", unless you mean by buying a club above us, I think the play offs are unachievable. Quote The new manager bounce will take us to wembley! It's an interesting opinion, but I disagree with this - if we were to get in a new manager, a really good one, one who's incredibly capable - we'd likely get a bounce; y'now, new ideas, players wanting to impress the new boss etc. but the new manager wouldn't be able to suddenly cure the sick, or make miracles from the squad we have. I'm a believer in the new manager bounce, I'm not sure it would be long lived enough to make it through the remainder of the season, but it might get us a win or two, however I think in our case, unless the new manager is capable of making an awful lot of food for an awful lot of people with a peculiarly specific number of loaves and fishes, there's not a bounce in the world that would get us anywhere near Wembley. I'm more likely to make it in on a Spacehopper. Quote I would defiantly be fluttering my eyelids at arsene wenger It's an interesting opinion, but I disagree with this - Arsene Wenger would report you to someone with a mental health qualification. He's a manager with an attachment to one club in this country who has pretty much retired unless something special to him comes up - I can only see him doing three things; managing France, becoming DoF at PSG or doing something odd in Japan. He's as likely to come here as Ronaldhino, no matter how much mascara we wiggle at him. Quote However I don't think these owners give a shit. They want Villa to be a brentford style feeder club....picking up cast offs from the premiership giving them 40 games in the champ before selling them for 15mil. It's an interesting opinion, but I disagree with this - in so far as I've noticed, there's absolutely nothing anywhere that suggests that it's true. Indeed, there's plenty to suggest that it's not. For starters, Brentford facilitate their methodology with a system where the manager has a very limited input - that's not been the case with us in January, when the manager has talked about having looked at many of the players we've bought beforehand. Also, Brentford don't really buy cast offs from the Premiership (sic) they buy players from all over the place, scouring Europe for young talents that they think can help them and make a profit, it's a model they're having success with, both on and off the pitch - it's enabled them to maintain a period of success in the league that's as good as any in their history whilst building a new stadium and they currently have a very decent and valuable squad to continue to develop. Thus far, with the possible exception of McGinn, I can't really think of anyone we've bought who we might make a profit on. In fact, we've hardly bought anyone - our plan seems largely to be about loans at the moment - trying to bring in quality players on loan because we can't afford to buy them under FFP. To the best of my knowledge, we can't sell any of those players for £15m as they aren't ours and it's against FFP to sell players you don't own for profit. Quote They should be on their private jets tonight coming to sort out the **** mess they created. It's an interesting opinion, but I disagree with this - in four important ways. Firstly, I'm not sure they should be coming to sort anything out, I don't think that's necessary at this point - that's just an opinion though, like yours, feel free to disagree. Secondly, and more importantly they wouldn't be the ones to do the sorting out, it'd be Christian Purslow who'd do that - he's the man with his finger on the button marked "Sack" should there be a requirement to use it. Thirdly, I'm not sure that they created this mess - they haven't cleared it up yet, but I think it's fair to say they inherited a fair mess - a club on the verge of serious action over unpaid tax, with massive losses, unpayable debts and an incomplete squad with very little inherent value, poor commercial arrangements and little forward planning. There's a lot of work to be done and they may or not pull it off, but I don't think this mess was of their creation. Oh, and fourthly, our largest shareholder lives in London, and given the time it takes to get through clearing at both Birmingham and City of London airports, he'd probably be best suited just driving here - it'd just be easier, y'know? Apologies for the long answer, one rarely finds so many interesting opinions all together in one lump. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Eastie said: I get the feeling it may well take 2 or 3 years before we seriously challenge again - there is a massive rebuild needed in the coming windows and it will probably take time to gel . You are not wrong of course. It just pisses me off that the answer is always "rebuild for a few years" that's been the answer for a decade now. I want to skip to the "well run club winning things" bit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, screwdriver said: If the board act now play offs is still achievable. It's only 6 points and we have all the big teams around us to play. The new manager bounce will take us to wembley! I would defiantly be fluttering my eyelids at arsene wenger, but wouldn't rule out big sam. I've always thought he would end up here at Villa one day. However I don't think these owners give a shit. They want Villa to be a brentford style feeder club....picking up cast offs from the premiership giving them 40 games in the champ before selling them for 15mil. They should be on their private jets tonight coming to sort out the **** mess they created. This is tongue and cheek surely. Without 2-3 of our best/better players out through injury this squad is dog**** Edited February 17, 2019 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 10 hours ago, KHV said: Me too, FWIW I think we will what Man City, Leeds and Forest did and drop to league 1 Seriously??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) Edit: Wrong topic. While I'm here... We're going up! One day. Edited February 17, 2019 by Sam3773 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Time to re name the thread 19 / 20 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Not so sure anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, New_Hope said: Seriously??? Well, without Abraham this season we'd certainly be on for relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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