bannedfromHandV Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: What about the hundreds of experienced managers who have done badly in their first season at a new club? So logic goes both ways. There is no way to say beforehand that Henry will fail or be a success, but rather that choice than staying with Bruce , a manager who brings us no where. The best bit about these posts is how people may need to redefine their thoughts - "a manager who brings us no where", well aside from the playoff final yeah. Can't wait to see what descriptions will be used if we end up finishing mid-to-bottom half, or worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) If we are going down the route of a new manager then it needs to be done now. The season starts in under two weeks and we don't have time to be f ing about. It is not an ideal scenario for any manager to come in with pretty much no pre season never mind one who has never managed before and has no recognised back room team to call up on and can hit the ground running. I am just not sure on this and how much him being a great player, and simply wanting rid of Bruce, could be clouding judgements. Edited July 24, 2018 by markavfc40 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: What about the hundreds of experienced managers who have done badly in their first season at a new club? So logic goes both ways. There is no way to say beforehand that Henry will fail or be a success, but rather that choice than staying with Bruce , a manager who brings us no where. Of course the logic goes both ways and it falls down both ways. If someone was saying something like "Neil Warnock worked so that means experience will work" then I'd tell them the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, bannedfromHandV said: The best bit about these posts is how people may need to redefine their thoughts - "a manager who brings us no where", well aside from the playoff final yeah. Can't wait to see what descriptions will be used if we end up finishing mid-to-bottom half, or worse. Its funny how people redefine their thoughts to fit their comments...training world class players at Barcelona and Real Madrid, but then neglecting that Bruce had players at his disposal that was way better than what most other teams, except from 1 or 2 other teams maybve, had in the Championship, but missed out on promotion twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Taxahunter said: Its funny how people redefine their thoughts to fit their comments...training world class players at Barcelona and Real Madrid, but then neglecting that Bruce had players at his disposal that was way better than what most other teams, except from 1 or 2 other teams maybve, had in the Championship, but missed out on promotion twice. Ah right, so now our players are directly comparable to Barcelona's and Madrid's right? WiTAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 Ok, then forget Guardiola and Zidane...Pochettino took over a relegation threatened Espanyol as his first club when he got his license and look at him now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, bannedfromHandV said: Ah right, so now our players are directly comparable to Barcelona's and Madrid's right? WiTAF. Did i do that without comparing to where we respectively where/are and in what leagues? You are twisting and turning every argument and taking things out of context. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 The problem with Bruce is he is a work hard manager. Thats fine getting players at the likes of Hull to work hard as they lack ability and probably the only way they would get promoted. I said it time after time that Villa was to big a club for Bruce. He is unable to utilize the extra ability Villa players obviously have over the opposition team and falls back into the same old negative, self preserving football time after time. I'm not saying Henry is the answer but if we are to move forward as a club, and lets face it there is never going to be a better time then we have to get rid of Bruce. If that means an inexperienced manager who talks like he would bring a breath of fresh air to Villa then so be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: Ok, then forget Guardiola and Zidane...Pochettino took over a relegation threatened Espanyol as his first club when he got his license and look at him now. He also played for Espanyol for many years. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, bannedfromHandV said: He also played for Espanyol for many years. Try again. Bruce never played for Villa, what has that got to do with it? They were a club in turmoil, he was the third manager in that season in in a relegation battle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, mikeyjavfc said: Big Ron (experienced) - Success Brian Little (relatively inexperienced) - Success John Gregory (relatively inexperienced) - Success Graham Taylor mkII (experienced) - Failure DoL (relatively experienced) - Failure MoN (experienced) - Success Houllier (experienced) - Failure Mcleish (experienced) - Failure Lambert (moderately experienced) - ??? Tom Sherwood (inexperienced) - Failure Remi Garde (inexperienced) - Failure Bobby Di Matteo (relatively inexperienced) - Failure Steve Bruce (experienced ) - ??? Try and draw any conclusions from that mixed bag! Brian Little had quite a lot of experience, including promotions at Darlington and Leicester. David O'Leary was a couple of good results away from 4th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post srsmithusa Posted July 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2018 polarized and stuck. Face it mates, that's us. motivated by fear, stick with Bruce. motivated by hope, get somebody (perhaps even anybody) new. Whichever your view, make sure you ridicule those that have the other view. I'm just ready for the new owners to make the decision, make it clearly, so we can instead get polarized about how much criticism to give the manager instead. 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I just think a change from top to bottom is just that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: Bruce never played for Villa, what has that got to do with it? They were a club in turmoil, he was the third manager in that season in in a relegation battle You're tying yourself in knots now. You've already admitted that this logic doesn't work, so why are you carrying on? Nobody is saying that inexperienced managers NEVER work. Obviously they do. What people are saying is picking one or two examples of inexperienced managers who have done amazingly well isn't a guarantee that Henry will work. Whether Henry will work is based on his managerial ability, and none of us have any clue how good that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I hope whoever it is is announced with a simultaneous announcement of a new CEO with a football background and/or DOF. We need a full new management team with proper experience especially if it's going to be Henry replacing Bruce, not only to support him but to do some deals quick smart over the next couple of weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holteend1982 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: What about the hundreds of experienced managers who have done badly in their first season at a new club? So logic goes both ways. There is no way to say beforehand that Henry will fail or be a success, but rather that choice than staying with Bruce , a manager who brings us no where. He brought us from our free falling relagation to a play off final, that is not nowhere. He has done a lot for this club, I belive he could do even more and I also understand why some want him replaced but to say he brings us nowhere is completely untrue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: He also played for Espanyol for many years. Try again. What does that have to do with it? Playing and managing are two very different skill sets as has been stated in this thread numerous times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, holteend1982 said: He brought us from our free falling relagation to a play off final, that is not nowhere. He has done a lot for this club, I belive he could do even more and I also understand why some want him replaced but to say he brings us nowhere is completely untrue. He has also, with some help brought us in the situation we are in now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted July 24, 2018 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, rubberman said: I hope whoever it is is announced with a simultaneous announcement of a new CEO with a football background and/or DOF. We need a full new management team with proper experience. This is exactly right. Swapping Bruce out for Henry is, in isolation, a massive gamble. I'd say the same about pretty much any other manager you could name - experienced or not. For the league we're in, few are as experienced or decorated as Bruce. Similarly, few are as inexperienced as Henry. Almost anyone in between those two poles will be a risk. Whoever is manager, Bruce or a new guy, needs to be part of a jigsaw. We heard a lot about "The Villa Engine" under Wyness and Round, but saw little evidence of it. As a concept, though, it's absolutely right. If Henry is considered a valuable part of that engine, alongside other high-calibre people (lazy examples being Bould, Wenger, Cortese) the risk becomes less and the strategy becomes evident. Until we know or see the full plans of the new owners any isolated discussion around a particular job role is largely moot. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, ColonelBlimp said: Has Henry got his badges? If he picks the right team to help him I reckon it could work, he's an intelligent guy. Steve Bould is well respected isn't he? Plus you'd have the 'Lampard effect' whereby he would be able to attract the players he wants and have the pick of the loanees from Arsenal amongst others. Ray wilkins was well respected before he came Villa and that was awful move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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