Zatman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 hours ago, villalad21 said: Elmo isn't the reason we lost the game. We lost the game because players were not at it from minute one. They were not switched on until after they scored. He cost us the goal that lost us the game So yes he is the reason we lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Legs are gone and his crossing isn't making up for it anymore. Time's up at this level, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Zatman said: He cost us the goal that lost us the game So yes he is the reason we lost Conversely, to win a game you have to get at least one goal. Logically that goal cost us a draw. A nil-nil draw against Sheffield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: Conversely, to win a game you have to get at least one goal. Logically that goal cost us a draw. A nil-nil draw against Sheffield. His total lack of progressive play and woeful crossing contributed to our failing to score also. Admittedly, plenty of others to blame on that front also. I also give McGinn equal share of the blame for the goal, either of them could have stopped that goal, neither did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_Villaman84 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 hours ago, avfc1982am said: Good analysis, I agree. Elmo had ample opportunities to get to the byline tonight but never went for it. Targett also sat deeper and never really overlapped ghazi the way he does with jack allowing them to exploit centrally. Same with traore. You want him and jack drifting and the fullbacks forcing the spaces to open. Very poor out wide when that was our best chance to pick the off SU with the possession we had. We didn't drag them about enough, just allowed them to sit. He, targett did overlap occasionally problem is el ghazi didn’t play and pass to him as he decided he do something out of himself As he is selfish player.. that why targett start sit deep as he has some waste lung burst running overlapping that never got ball when space to play on. Traore did what el ghazi all time that why cash some time sit deep and Elmo did same - Elmo never play overlapping lots as not his strength.. it was cross from deep his specialist. That why I prefer gulibert over him as gulibert keep overlapping every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Another stupid decision to play him. We can all see he cant play more than one game a week. Why he doesnt give kesler a chance is beyond me. This would have been the perfect chance to start kesler against one of the worst teams in the league Rather see a young hungry player like kesler given a go than persist with elmo who looks finished at this level for me. Time to move with the times dean and give youngsters a chance ahead of players like elmo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) Even when we put aside the joke that we loaned Freddie out with only Elmo as back up. If a youngster says to be as highly rated as Kane Kessler doesn't get a look in ahead of him then what message does that send to the other prospects? Same with JPB and Trezeguet. If they aren't willing to try them ahead of these players who will likely be upgraded in summer when will they ever play Edited March 4, 2021 by ramshackler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Elmo is a senior professional and a respected member of the dressing room for several years. Once you start ignoring them for kids who have not played a single minute of league football you are on slippy ground as a gaffer. This isn't a Barkley situation. Elmo won't be here next season. It is what it is. Just give him the games and we'll spend big again in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, rodders0223 said: Elmo is a senior professional and a respected member of the dressing room for several years. Once you start ignoring them for kids who have not played a single minute of league football you are on slippy ground as a gaffer. This isn't a Barkley situation. Elmo won't be here next season. It is what it is. Just give him the games and we'll spend big again in the summer. I dont agree with that. You dont play players on merit on their respect levels. Also if we used that logoc grealish never would have been given a chance, gabby, etc. You play a youngster if you believe in him and feel he is better than what you have. Its for elmo then to imporve himself to try get back into the team. When i watched kelser against liverpool he looked bloody good. Very quick too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Another stupid decision to play him. We can all see he cant play more than one game a week. Why he doesnt give kesler a chance is beyond me. This would have been the perfect chance to start kesler against one of the worst teams in the league Rather see a young hungry player like kesler given a go than persist with elmo who looks finished at this level for me. Time to move with the times dean and give youngsters a chance ahead of players like elmo. Do you not think the coaching staff know more about Kesler? You don't just throw a young kid in, just to have a go. His progression to the first team will be carefully monitored by the coaches who work with him every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 4, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Zatman said: He cost us the goal that lost us the game So yes he is the reason we lost It was McGinn’s man and his error not Elmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Do you not think the coaching staff know more about Kesler? You don't just throw a young kid in, just to have a go. His progression to the first team will be carefully monitored by the coaches who work with him every day. That shows a lack of faith in him then. In my view this is the oppportunity you start him. He did really well against the world class mane. I dont think it would have been a big gamble against mcgoldrick or brewster. Build his confidence before a derby against wolves. But now you have to ask would it be wise to start him in a big derby game? I think they have msde a mistake by not giving kesler any game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 12 hours ago, avfc1982am said: Good analysis, I agree. Elmo had ample opportunities to get to the byline tonight but never went for it. Targett also sat deeper and never really overlapped ghazi the way he does with jack allowing them to exploit centrally. Same with traore. You want him and jack drifting and the fullbacks forcing the spaces to open. Very poor out wide when that was our best chance to pick the off SU with the possession we had. We didn't drag them about enough, just allowed them to sit. He is 34 this year and has played a dozen times in a year. If he gets to the byline he isn't getting back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 hours ago, The Moustache of Teale said: I love Elmo, he’s been a brilliant servant for the club, He's been a cheap signing that's played pretty poorly for us overall. He didn't cost anything and he's old so we just got what we expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted March 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: It was McGinn’s man and his error not Elmo. Both were at fault, yes McGinn let McGoldrick run without following him, but Elmo could easily have cleared the ball instead of letting it run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Taxahunter said: Both were at fault, yes McGinn let McGoldrick run without following him, but Elmo could easily have cleared the ball instead of letting it run Targett is just as much to blame as Elmo. Why is he just allowing them to put in a ball into a danger area? He should have done much more to deny them that cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted March 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: Targett is just as much to blame as Elmo. Why is he just allowing them to put in a ball into a danger area? He should have done much more to deny them that cross. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Another stupid decision to play him. We can all see he cant play more than one game a week. Why he doesnt give kesler a chance is beyond me. This would have been the perfect chance to start kesler against one of the worst teams in the league Rather see a young hungry player like kesler given a go than persist with elmo who looks finished at this level for me. Time to move with the times dean and give youngsters a chance ahead of players like elmo. Until Kesler plays and makes a mistake and then people start giving him stick too. Elmo did a fine job against Leeds - its not difficult to see why we stuck with him against Sheffield United. He didn't make that mistake because he's played more than one game in a week. Its just a mistake by him. Unfortunately he has a few of those in him and that's why he's normally sat on the bench watching Matty Cash. Out of interest how many times have you watched Kesler play? Is there a particular reason that this game would have suited him? Or is it more that Elmo made a mistake leading to a goal (along with a couple of mistakes by others) and with hindsight you're now saying stick Kesler in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 hours ago, TrentVilla said: It was McGinn’s man and his error not Elmo. Both are at fault IMO. Mcginn didn't track him and Elmo wandered in to stand beside the centre half instead of being in the correct position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 hours ago, villa89 said: He's been a cheap signing that's played pretty poorly for us overall. He didn't cost anything and he's old so we just got what we expected. Disagree with that. For the championship he was fine. Prem not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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