HanoiVillan Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: I believe the stats show that most Remain voters now just want to get on with it and have accepted the result. I'm not sure Corbyn is a soft Brexiter either. He supports leaving the single market iirc. Presumably though, most 'releavers' as I believe they're called, are resigned to it largely because they thought it was going ahead. If there were a significant chance of it not happening, they might 'unresign' themselves pretty sharpish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Jon said: I find this "who has won. Who has lost" line quite infantile. It adds little. It's what someone who knew nothing about politics or Government, or a 6 year old, might ask. I agree in part - al the various people saying "Labour emerged as the winner" or Corbyn did, or May lost, or tories lost - or whatever different versions, yet at the same time that's what elections are for, where it's about red party v Blue party v Yellow parties...to see who is going to run the country. The whole purpose of our current system is to select a "winner" in each constituency and overall to run the country. The adversarial, first past the post system is broken. It encourages confrontation and discourages people working together....etc and so forth. And while that remains, there are winners and losers in both absolute fact and in terms of, ahem, momentum. Labour is on an upswing and Tories on a downswing at the moment....but that may change again (though not for a while, I'd imagine). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Farron steps down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, snowychap said: Farron steps down. Yes torn between being a political leader and being a faithful Christian apparently. Not sure who would take over. Cable must be too old. Maybe Lamb or Davey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Yes torn between being a political leader and being a faithful Christian apparently. Not sure who would take over. Cable must be too old. Maybe Lamb or Davey. Guess we know his views on gay marriage now. Thought he came across as an eye swivelling loon to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2017 Farron gone? Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Chindie said: I believe the stats show that most Remain voters now just want to get on with it and have accepted the result. I'm not sure Corbyn is a soft Brexiter either. He supports leaving the single market iirc. Agreed on both points, but that's not what I meant. The suggestion was that the Tory press would imply that Corbyn would soften Brexit, and that in itself would damage his support. I'm saying (for a number of reasons), that I don't think it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: Guess we know his views on gay marriage now. Thought he came across as an eye swivelling loon to be honest. Surely it could be argued that he is just sticking to his principles in much the same way that Corbyn does. One difference seems to be that Corbyn gets lauded for doing that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, veloman said: Surely it could be argued that he is just sticking to his principles in much the same way that Corbyn does. One difference seems to be that Corbyn gets lauded for doing that. There's sticking to your principals which are compatible with the ethos of your party and then there's having an opinion which is fundamentally opposite to your party's core beliefs. Tim Farron shouldn't even be in the Lib Dems if that is his view. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2017 His principles are in conflict with his party. His views have no place in a party that claims to be liberal. **** Tim Farron. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 Whats Bicks and Chindie said. Besides, it's nothing to do with principles it's to do with religious beliefs, they are not the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Farron is off to do the comedy circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted June 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Farron is off to do the comedy circuit. Compere for Lee Hurst? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Farron is off to do the comedy circuit. Father Ted re-boot maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JB Posted June 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2017 Sticking to your principles doesn't make you a good person if your principles are **** up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Edited June 15, 2017 by veloman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted June 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2017 10 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Farron is off to do the comedy circuit. Nah, celebrity bake off clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 15 hours ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: If you're basing that assumption on Brexit then I think you need to rethink it. Immigration did not play as big a part in Brexit as the average bozo in a forum seems to think (jokes). Corbyn may be a good example of that. The reason Labour did so well is because they finally changed the direction of politics in the country, something Blair/Brown/Miliband weren't willing to do. That message is not going away and it will chip away at the Conservatives because they might not be brave enough to embrace reality/change. I'm not sure if it's enough to win an election outright but the results in Scotland aren't discouraging if you're a betting man. Well I am basing it on that the BREXIT vote was largely caused by immigration. If the tories can paint labour as soft on immigration that will be a big vote winner for then. Sadly racial prejudice is a vote winner IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 11 hours ago, JB said: Sticking to your principles doesn't make you a good person if your principles are **** up. Philosophically speaking the leader of the Lib-Dems should be religious as the party is usually seen as representing the mid-point between the Tories and Labour. As Nietzsche pointed out when he lamented that God was dead, humanity was left to choose between nihilism (May) and ideology (Corbyn). It looks like he was right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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