Hev Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I just don't get why Newcastle are all the pundits favourites to walk this league and yet we are so unfancied. Getting a bit fed up of the Geordie Love in on the radio to be honest. What/who have Newcastle got that is so much better than us in reality?? People even seem to think Wolves will do better than us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted August 25, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, Hev said: I just don't get why Newcastle are all the pundits favourites to walk this league and yet we are so unfancied. Getting a bit fed up of the Geordie Love in on the radio to be honest. What/who have Newcastle got that is so much better than us in reality?? People even seem to think Wolves will do better than us! I think it's justified to be honest. We went down last season with 20 points less than them and as one of the worst PL teams in history. That sort of rot runs deep and takes a lot of removing. Add that to the fact that they have Benitez and he had the end of last season to evaluate his players and plan for the summer. They also did better early business in the window than us so I'd have had them ahead of us in the odds. I think things have changed now though, with the players we've signed and are signing and the results so far this season. I'd have us level odds. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Hev said: I just don't get why Newcastle are all the pundits favourites to walk this league and yet we are so unfancied. Getting a bit fed up of the Geordie Love in on the radio to be honest. What/who have Newcastle got that is so much better than us in reality?? People even seem to think Wolves will do better than us! I like it - puts less pressure on the team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, Hev said: I just don't get why Newcastle are all the pundits favourites to walk this league and yet we are so unfancied. Getting a bit fed up of the Geordie Love in on the radio to be honest. What/who have Newcastle got that is so much better than us in reality?? People even seem to think Wolves will do better than us! Who cares what others think or say, ultimately it's what we do that affects us. Let em keep wagging their tongues, heaping the pressure on those highly regarded to perform. We'll quietly go about our business and do what we do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Hev said: I just don't get why Newcastle are all the pundits favourites to walk this league and yet we are so unfancied. Getting a bit fed up of the Geordie Love in on the radio to be honest. What/who have Newcastle got that is so much better than us in reality?? People even seem to think Wolves will do better than us! Its better for us, all the pressure is on Newcastle, no one expects us to do anything therefore less pressure. I know which boat i would rather be in. 1st or 2nd i don't really care as long as we go back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 We also haven't had that great of a start to the season. Winning one in five isn't great, especially when looking at who we've played. If we fail to beat Bristol City, then it will start looking like a poor start to the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted August 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2016 Just had £10 each way on us for Championship Outright (1-3). I've never done this kind of bet before and I'm already scared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted August 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Hev said: I just don't get why Newcastle are all the pundits favourites to walk this league and yet we are so unfancied. Getting a bit fed up of the Geordie Love in on the radio to be honest. What/who have Newcastle got that is so much better than us in reality?? People even seem to think Wolves will do better than us! Because if we go up it will be one of the most remarkable turnarounds for many years. We weren't just relegated, we were obliterated, lock, stock, and barrel. Managers, players, Owner - a catastrophe everywhere. And it wasn't just a poor season was it ? It was the rightful culmination of years of neglect. And look at the finish comparison between us and Newcastle.... After Valentines day (so the final third of the season), Newcastles record was that of a typical relegation fodder side. Played 12, W 3 D 3 L 6, Scored 17, Conceded 16. ( But Unbeaten in their last 6). We played 13, Won 0, Drew 1, Lost 12, Scored 7 (!), Conceded 36 (!!)........so whilst they were getting relegated, we were sinking without trace. Then we need a new Manager, they keep the guy that gave them that good ending. And we need to transform that record into Scoring 60/70 goals and conceding 30/40. That is a HUGE turnaround. And remember last year how quickly we found out the difficulties of integrating a lot of new players ? Well here we are again. (I know it isn't the same, there is clearly form and planning going into building an actual team). I think Tony and RDM (and back up) look like they are doing a very good job of turning all that around, he certainly now has the weapons at his disposal, but getting that ground back isn't easy. To suggest we should be level with Newcastle in the Odds, given that backstory, is very, very optimistic (to say the least). And in doing so it sort of adds pressure to RDM - if we 'should' be thought of as on a par with them then it effectively lessens his achievement if we manage it. I think it far fairer and more realistic to say we now have a fighting chance, because of the good work done, in mounting a challenge. But it will still take a lot to fall into place. Whereas Newcastle should be leading the challenge. (Put it another way, if I was a Newcastle fan, and we manage to catch them or get close, I'd be wanting to know what had gone wrong ! And as a Villa fan I'd be absolutely thrilled - I wouldn't be saying "well we were on a par so its no big deal ")). 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted August 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Oh, and only TWO Clubs relegated together have bounced straight back in the same season only 3 times since 1993 (which is as far as I looked back to). ( The good news is one of them was relegated in a similar fashion to us, Sunderland in 2006). Again, though, I would say this all serves to illustrate the massive task we have, which is why Id much prefer our fans to approach it in the spirit of hope rather than expectation, and why I have no problem the bookies or anyone suggesting we really have our work cut out. I've even seen people on here already saying it would be a failure if we didn't make the Play-Offs. I am much more of the view it would be a great achievement if we DID. I do hope that's the way it is seen, people getting behind the idea of us having to do something special, rather than expecting us to do it. Edited August 25, 2016 by terrytini 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 And one of them was just last season, some more good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 39 minutes ago, Keyblade said: And one of them was just last season, some more good news. ...and the last time Newcastle were involved, they were promoted along with another Midlands side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 3 hours ago, terrytini said: Because if we go up it will be one of the most remarkable turnarounds for many years. We weren't just relegated, we were obliterated, lock, stock, and barrel. Managers, players, Owner - a catastrophe everywhere. And it wasn't just a poor season was it ? It was the rightful culmination of years of neglect. And look at the finish comparison between us and Newcastle.... After Valentines day (so the final third of the season), Newcastles record was that of a typical relegation fodder side. Played 12, W 3 D 3 L 6, Scored 17, Conceded 16. ( But Unbeaten in their last 6). We played 13, Won 0, Drew 1, Lost 12, Scored 7 (!), Conceded 36 (!!)........so whilst they were getting relegated, we were sinking without trace. Then we need a new Manager, they keep the guy that gave them that good ending. And we need to transform that record into Scoring 60/70 goals and conceding 30/40. That is a HUGE turnaround. And remember last year how quickly we found out the difficulties of integrating a lot of new players ? Well here we are again. (I know it isn't the same, there is clearly form and planning going into building an actual team). I think Tony and RDM (and back up) look like they are doing a very good job of turning all that around, he certainly now has the weapons at his disposal, but getting that ground back isn't easy. To suggest we should be level with Newcastle in the Odds, given that backstory, is very, very optimistic (to say the least). And in doing so it sort of adds pressure to RDM - if we 'should' be thought of as on a par with them then it effectively lessens his achievement if we manage it. I think it far fairer and more realistic to say we now have a fighting chance, because of the good work done, in mounting a challenge. But it will still take a lot to fall into place. Whereas Newcastle should be leading the challenge. (Put it another way, if I was a Newcastle fan, and we manage to catch them or get close, I'd be wanting to know what had gone wrong ! And as a Villa fan I'd be absolutely thrilled - I wouldn't be saying "well we were on a par so its no big deal ")). When you look at this reasoned argument, I can understand and appreciate it a lot more. I guess I just get sick of the constant Newcastle and Rafa Lovefest but yes, I fully see what you are saying here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I hope we go up and Middlesborough stay up, we have unfinished business with them. I remember them always stealing our players and getting "glamorous" names we were linked with. Also, more importantly I have a couple of smug Middlesborough supporting mates (as well as girlfriend) and can't wait to dish them out a hiding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Hev said: When you look at this reasoned argument, I can understand and appreciate it a lot more. I guess I just get sick of the constant Newcastle and Rafa Lovefest but yes, I fully see what you are saying here. Glad to be of Service And I wouldn't worry about the Rafa/Geordie Love fest - it just makes it all the more fun when it turns out he wasn't the new messiah after all ! (again) Edited August 25, 2016 by terrytini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 4 hours ago, terrytini said: Because if we go up it will be one of the most remarkable turnarounds for many years. We weren't just relegated, we were obliterated, lock, stock, and barrel. Managers, players, Owner - a catastrophe everywhere. And it wasn't just a poor season was it ? It was the rightful culmination of years of neglect. And look at the finish comparison between us and Newcastle.... After Valentines day (so the final third of the season), Newcastles record was that of a typical relegation fodder side. Played 12, W 3 D 3 L 6, Scored 17, Conceded 16. ( But Unbeaten in their last 6). We played 13, Won 0, Drew 1, Lost 12, Scored 7 (!), Conceded 36 (!!)........so whilst they were getting relegated, we were sinking without trace. Then we need a new Manager, they keep the guy that gave them that good ending. And we need to transform that record into Scoring 60/70 goals and conceding 30/40. That is a HUGE turnaround. And remember last year how quickly we found out the difficulties of integrating a lot of new players ? Well here we are again. (I know it isn't the same, there is clearly form and planning going into building an actual team). I think Tony and RDM (and back up) look like they are doing a very good job of turning all that around, he certainly now has the weapons at his disposal, but getting that ground back isn't easy. To suggest we should be level with Newcastle in the Odds, given that backstory, is very, very optimistic (to say the least). And in doing so it sort of adds pressure to RDM - if we 'should' be thought of as on a par with them then it effectively lessens his achievement if we manage it. I think it far fairer and more realistic to say we now have a fighting chance, because of the good work done, in mounting a challenge. But it will still take a lot to fall into place. Whereas Newcastle should be leading the challenge. (Put it another way, if I was a Newcastle fan, and we manage to catch them or get close, I'd be wanting to know what had gone wrong ! And as a Villa fan I'd be absolutely thrilled - I wouldn't be saying "well we were on a par so its no big deal ")). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I hope we go up and Middlesborough stay up, we have unfinished business with them. I remember them always stealing our players and getting "glamorous" names we were linked with. Also, more importantly I have a couple of smug Middlesborough supporting mates (as well as girlfriend) and can't wait to dish them out a hiding! If I had a GF who was a Riversider, I'd restrict at least 2" untill we were back in PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcwills10 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Gotta win Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 4 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I hope we go up and Middlesborough stay up, we have unfinished business with them. I remember them always stealing our players and getting "glamorous" names we were linked with. Also, more importantly I have a couple of smug Middlesborough supporting mates (as well as girlfriend) and can't wait to dish them out a hiding! im pretty sure we are even now with Boro since we gave them Guzan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) On 25/08/2016 at 09:19, useless said: We also haven't had that great of a start to the season. Winning one in five isn't great, especially when looking at who we've played. If we fail to beat Bristol City, then it will start looking like a poor start to the season. A very poor start to the season, and not good enough. Four points from play offs, six points from automatic promotion, and that's after having a pretty easy start. Not good to lose going into an international break Edited August 27, 2016 by useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 This was a great chance to close in at the top with Norwich losing and Newcastle playing Brighton, but as villa do they let us down again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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