YLN Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 48 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: Pedantic, I know, but should that petition not say ``fight for us'' rather than``fight with us''? Both make sense, and don't similarly. Fight with us means fight on our side, and also fight against us, while fight for us means fight on our behalf, but also fight to end of winning us somehow. I think both are equally good or bad. I would probably choose fight with us. So I'm happy pappy. On first reading I understood it to mean what it means. Its intention is clear by the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 659 supporters now. Just goes to show that fans are behind Garde because they can sense the difference he has made so far. It just feels shite because we finally have a decent manager with the most defective board out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 26 minutes ago, YLN said: Both make sense, and don't similarly. Fight with us means fight on our side, and also fight against us, while fight for us means fight on our behalf, but also fight to end of winning us somehow. I think both are equally good or bad. I would probably choose fight with us. So I'm happy pappy. On first reading I understood it to mean what it means. Its intention is clear by the context. I think ``fight for us'' has no ambiguity. But you are right, it is obvious what is meant, I just felt the wording was strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I like Garde and I've seen improvements. But I'm not signing a petition for a manager who has won 2 games. I know he's come to the shittest club in the league but I'm still not 100% convinced he's the right man to build something here, although the signs are promising. He deserves some sympathy but while I completely detest our owner and pretty much everything about the club that doesn't buy Remi a free pass. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 On 2 February 2016 at 23:54, avfc1982am said: Think you are missing the point I was trying to make or I didn't explain myself very well. And no one is denying that we let our 4 best players go but we also lost other players in the summer which ensured we needed to bring in a higher number of players to compensate. Plus if the squad is crap anyway, which it was, then would it be the case that we needed more of an invesment than originally laid out? Possibly selling other players who were not up to scratch in the summer? As I have said before...The signings, or at least the majority of them have most of the time been our better players this season. Have any of the players already here before the summer truly done anything this season? Because from what I have seen, other than Gil and Okore who have had decent games and contributed the rest have done nothing but cause problems, on and off the pitch. I thought we brought in decent signings and still do with Amavi, Traore, Ayew, Gana, Veretout, Richards, and even Lescott to a degree. The first 5 will more than likely return their investment in the future and more if we keep hold of and Richards will also give us a monetary return. I was unsure about Gestede, Ilori, Bunn, Crespo and anyone else I have forgotten as I am knackered tbh but none were a huge outlay even though there was obvious waste especially with the Gestede signing as we required more pace and dynamism. The problem was/is the amount of crap we had anyway imo, in Hutton, Clark, Richardson, Guzan, Sanchez, Westwood, Gabby, NZog, Sinclair. Which amounts to approximately...the nucleus of the starting line up. The table doesn't lie but blaming our troubles on the signings we made last summer isn't all of the picture is it? It doesn't explain lack of quality in the squad we had already, the stupidity of our previous manager earlier in the season, the idiots running the club, the one who owns it and lack of real investment. Especially in this transfer window giving us zero chance of escaping our poition. Plus had we spent all the transfer money on just 4 players we would still possibly be in this situation due to the other 20 odd players in the squad. We needed to replace far more than 4 players imo. I didn't say the summer was a raving success either but you just decided to pick a few words in order to make a point without looking at the real issues. I just said I didn't think it was "too bad" and that the problem lay in the lacking of certain attributes within the whole squad not neccessarily all the signings we made. But hey it's just my opinion and to be fair I cocked up myself thinking we could finish mid to lower table. Not even contemplating relegation. How stupid! Anyway our destiny was decided 5 years ago mate when Lerner decided he wasn't interested i his toy anymore. If the point is have we got worse since the summer.....for what ever reason and for who ever is at fault. then unequivocally we have. the issue is why? You can go through the whole squad individually and say they are an improvement....but that opinion has not found its way on to the pitch. I worry we keep mooting certain players ......they are ok and they are ok.....if most of them were OK......we wouldn't be where we are. most of them are simply not ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaChris Posted February 4, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2016 If we'd appointed Big Sam, Pulis or Moyes as many want (and I did at some stage) they'd only have done what Remi has so far e.g. first port of call is to tighten up the defence. Remi to his credit has done that, it's clear in our results, one single goal conceded in the games against Southampton, Newcastle, West Ham, Leicester and clean sheets v Palace and West Brom all in our last 10 games which has seen us pick up points on a regular basis. I thought we were pretty good at West Ham aswell considering we had 10 for 4/5 of the game, the 2nd only came about because we'd pushed everyone up for a corner so in a normal situation we only concede one goal there. The only times it fell apart were Norwich which because Okore and Lescott were both knackered so we had the predictable Clark and Richards show of standing and watching unmarked players and Sunderland which was a poor second half defensive performance. It's something at least. Indeed if Sherwood and co had bothered to work on that instead of shipping 3 goals in 20 minutes at Leicester, Liverpool etc which you could argue was the needed approach given our severe lack of goals we might not be in the bottom 3 now. Our defence as a unit is better than the teams above us I think now, the stats show it anyway conceding less goals than Newcastle and Norwich. Where it all falls apart of course is upfront. We all know it, the recruitment was negligent so you can't blame Remi for that. He has tried his best trying different combinations, finally bringing back Kozak as called for by many and now Gabby is getting his 99th chance here. I have to say chairs and the Titanic spring to my mind when I think of the atrocity upfront. What I can't believe though and where to me Garde know gets a free pass (and if you look back at my posts on this thread pre Wycombe I was pretty critical of him) is having finally got us actually keeping clean sheets and just conceding 1 goal on a regular basis he's saying to the board, back me in getting a good striker and those 1-1s and 0-0s can turn into 3 points and maybe the team have still a slight chance of staying up. And he has been let down badly. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Anyone else starting to fear that when/if Rémi Garde walks at the end of the season, Lerner and the board in their infinite wisdom will ses Gary Neville as the perfect replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, sne said: Anyone else starting to fear that when/if Rémi Garde walks at the end of the season, Lerner and the board in their infinite wisdom will ses Gary Neville as the perfect replacement? They are thick, granted. But not that thick. Remi all the way for me - this guy will sort us out and in 5 years time we'll be regularly moaning that we're only 7th in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, sne said: Anyone else starting to fear that when/if Rémi Garde walks at the end of the season, Lerner and the board in their infinite wisdom will ses Gary Neville as the perfect replacement? Funnily enough when we were looking for managers last season I mooted Neville as a decent possibility IF we were going for unproven managers. Safe to say I'm a bit more reserved now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Rémi, "I had Niall Mason on the bench in the last game - and I will have one or two other young players there this weekend" Edit. Just said, "I feel a lot of support from the fans. I would like to thank them. The way they behave with us is amazing." Edited February 5, 2016 by Gary Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 2 hours ago, sne said: Anyone else starting to fear that when/if Rémi Garde walks at the end of the season, Lerner and the board in their infinite wisdom will ses Gary Neville as the perfect replacement? Words can barely describe how far down my list of concerns that possibility is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Gary Neville!! Gary Fekkin Neville!!! I would rather have Billy McNeil back!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The way our board thinks I would not be suprised if they get Steve Bould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 2 hours ago, sne said: Anyone else starting to fear that when/if Rémi Garde walks at the end of the season, Lerner and the board in their infinite wisdom will ses Gary Neville as the perfect replacement? Gary Megson is probably more in Lerner budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Personally I wouldn't bother replacing the manager if / when he's gone. The players earn enough to organise themselves. I'd spend the money on some more suits in the boardroom. Nigel Kennedy's mum and that bloke Wilson from Castaway are obvious candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gary Thomas Posted February 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just watching Remi's press conferences and he was raving about the support he and the team received Tuesday - said it was 'amazing' even after the sending off the support was incredible - seemed to come from the heart as well. Makes me feel proud to be a Villa fan when I hear that. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yeah good stuff about the support from the fans, scary stuff about reviewing his position in the summer. If the board have contrived to lose us a good manager as well as our prem status then we are very much in the shit come the summer. We'd have to find a new manager, new backroom staff and 2/3 of a team in one summer, have them gel in a few weeks to mount a challenge at comign straight back up. For me that's way too big an ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Anyone else bothered that he didn't commit to next season in the press conference and the question was then cut off by the Villa PR guy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: Just watching Remi's press conferences and he was raving about the support he and the team received Tuesday - said it was 'amazing' even after the sending off the support was incredible - seemed to come from the heart as well. Makes me feel proud to be a Villa fan when I hear that. Remi has spoken so well about the fans - I really believe the fans have taken to him well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Words can barely describe how far down my list of concerns that possibility is. Really? Since we're already down and Garde will very likely walk, who replaces him is right up there along with who we will keep and what signings (if any ) will we get in the summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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