jim Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Very poor so far, doesn't seem to be able to inject any fire and desire into the players so we can grind out results. If we go down with a whimper this season he should be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 minute ago, jim said: Very poor so far, doesn't seem to be able to inject any fire and desire into the players so we can grind out results. If we go down with a whimper this season he should be sacked. So should the players tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 3 minutes ago, jim said: Very poor so far, doesn't seem to be able to inject any fire and desire into the players so we can grind out results. If we go down with a whimper this season he should be sacked. So should the players tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 His first 5 games have been; Man City (3rd), Everton (10th), Watford (7th), Southampton (12th), and Arsenal (2nd). FFS, what were people expecting? Maximum 4 points IMO - I defy you to name anyone who realistically could've come here and achieved that from who was available out there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: This. Being paid loads doesn't make you immune to issues of confidence. People keep quoting salaries and professions as if it does. but that's idyllic. The real world doesn't work like that. No the real world doesn't work like that, but imo, the players lose all rights 'to the real world' when they sign on the dotted line saying I'm worth this much, when quite clearly they aren't. I understand why they get what they can from a salary, I would too. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim an extortionate wage that we can only dream of, and then expect to be able to go hiding. I went hiding in my job, I'd be sacked. Simple as that. And I'd say my job is even more 'confidence based' than a footballer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, supernova26 said: This good manager has flucked 2 points out of 18 and plays Gestede every week. An insipid apportionment if ever there was one. But because he's Wenger's mate he seems beyond criticism. And he's still banging the Adama isn't ready drum. I'd be happy if he got a one way EuroStar ticket for Christmas. An obvious dud. If he was Fergie's mate, Scottish and ginger I wonder how people would react to him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 What are you suggesting exactly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 56 minutes ago, Jay.P.A said: His first 5 games have been; Man City (3rd), Everton (10th), Watford (7th), Southampton (12th), and Arsenal (2nd). FFS, what were people expecting? Maximum 4 points IMO - I defy you to name anyone who realistically could've come here and achieved that from who was available out there. Yes but Newcastle have just beaten Liverpool and Spurs, Bournemouth, Chelsea and Man U. I don't think this season of all seasons you can look at games that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, Jay.P.A said: His first 5 games have been; Man City (3rd), Everton (10th), Watford (7th), Southampton (12th), and Arsenal (2nd). FFS, what were people expecting? Maximum 4 points IMO - I defy you to name anyone who realistically could've come here and achieved that from who was available out there. I expected organisation at most and maybe 4 points. We look more defensively disjointed than we have all season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Jersey_Villa Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, Zatman said: I expected organisation at most and maybe 4 points. We look more defensively disjointed than we have all season While I agree that our defending is so bad this year that the hungover lads from the Dog and Partridge would probably score at least two past us on a Sunday morning kick about, I must point out that Garde has been without Amavi since Man City and Richards has missed the last two games. He's been unable to select a settled back four. IMO the only major tactical blunder he's made so far, which he himself admitted, was not playing a defensive midfielder against Everton. I've not seen anything else that you would question from a tactical standpoint, it's simply the ability/confidence/execution of the players on the pitch that are letting us down at the moment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 well at moment we are conceding an average of 2 goals a game under this regime (would be higher if Southampton could finish) Previously it was 1.7 goals conceded in last regime when we were meant be defensive shambles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 well at moment we are conceding an average of 2 goals a game under this regime (would be higher if Southampton could finish) Previously it was 1.7 goals conceded in last regime when we were meant be defensive shambles Any defence that is forced to play Hutton and Richardson regularly is going to concede .Also we have played Everton ,Arsenal and City our fixtures have been very tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 He needs to create an "us V them" mentality really, Mourinho has been doing it since he whinged into Chelsea (went too far this year though and lost the players respect somewhat), it's what Pearson did last year (debatable how intentional it was), MON did it with us to an extent. Praise the players publicly and argue against anyone doubting it, blame other people for players not performing (ref/linesman/play acting/tea lady) and say it would never happen at "insert club in similar position". You may get fined, you may get touchline banned but you'll drum some determination into the players It's short term, wouldn't work for more than a season or 2 but as I also believe he's a good manager it could help to just get us going a bit then actual management can do the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) 3 hours ago, Woodytom said: No the real world doesn't work like that, but imo, the players lose all rights 'to the real world' when they sign on the dotted line saying I'm worth this much, when quite clearly they aren't. This is the problem. You're admitting yourself that you're not talking about the real world. We'd all love it if the players went out and, because the players are paid loads, they gave absolutely everything every time. But, you said yourself, the real world doesn't work like that. In fact, the more you get paid, the less motivating a factor money becomes. It's human nature. So you can keep banging this drum all you like, but it's not how the world, football or otherwise, works. Edited December 16, 2015 by Stevo985 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 8 hours ago, sexbelowsound said: Did you not enjoy watching him at Lyon? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If we're still looking nailed on for relegation, incapable of winning a game in a few weeks time, I don't think people will continue to look at him as an option for next season. Those advocating his presence as our championship manager I'd argue would only really consider it if he kept us up. If we're still looking doomed in 3 weeks time I'm not sure there'll be many thinking he should be given another season, as philosophical as everyone appears to be at the moment. I think it might be a symptom of the desire to shout the loudest about how you know we're definitely going to be relegated. Call it another failed mutation and bring in Alan curbishley will be the cry in a month.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Jeez, I think I'll avoid this thread for a few months! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 These four games are where I am going to judge Remi, if he fails to win any then I will start agreeing maybe he isnt good manager. Barring Everton he has done ok so far. I expected four defeats but we got two points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Quickest write off of a manager ever? I'm talking not prior to the appointment, That happens a lot, but in terms of giving them a fair shot when they get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Don't think people realise what a bad state Sherwood left this team. Confidence absolutely shattered. Tough for Remi. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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