briny_ear Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't think Garde is the right appointment if we have ambitions of staying up. I agree. And I don't think he's the right appointment if we are expecting relegation and wanting to come back up quickly. Nothing on his CV suggests to me he is the man to achieve that. It's all very well people saying "he's only had 5 games, give him a chance". Well, those were 5 games we couldn't afford to do badly in and we can't allow any more time for the manager to settle in. In view of the position the club is in, I think he was totally the wrong appointment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I can't blame Garde at all at the moment. If we get relegated, I think he should be given a chance to offload the weight and build a squad to come back up. Likewise, if we stay up, he should be given a chance to try to get us up the table next season. The problem we have is belief and player confidence. Despite what I've seen, I think we have an OK bunch of players (with some obvious exceptions) who shouldn't be in the relegation zone, but they're at the point now where they're so dejected and lacking confidence, they seem to have mentally checked out. It could be as simple as getting one more win and that sparking a domino effect. I hope we do start playing with fight and belief, not because I feel we can stay up, but because I don't want us to go without fighting for it. Garde, for me, is getting as good as anyone could out of this squad right now. ... Except he keeps playing Gestede. Not sure how the hell that keeps happening.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted December 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2015 50 minutes ago, Sam3773 said: I can't blame Garde at all at the moment. Just to be clear, I wasn't blaming him for anything. It's just my assessment that he is not the right manager for the job we have in hand at the moment. That's not his fault, it's more down to the guys who appointed him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nobler Posted December 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2015 I like him. That's all I can add to the discussion really. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Jersey_Villa Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Until he's had time to get the right type of players for the system he wants to play and then had time to teach those players what he's looking for tactically, I don't think Remi can be judged right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 No but is his remit to keep us in the division or more long-term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 A lot of the players just dont look interested. There was an article in the mail saying how little effort the players put in during matches. It said that Garde needed the players to run through walls for him if we are to stay up but he can't even get them to be arsed to track back. I'm not entirely convinced everyone is on board with Garde if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post New_Jersey_Villa Posted December 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2015 3 hours ago, PaulC said: No but is his remit to keep us in the division or more long-term? I think staying in the division is what everyone is hoping for, but you'd like to think some long term thinking went into this appointment as well. Garde himself must have realized there was chance of us being relegated before he took the job. If we do go down I personally hope he sticks around. It should be obvious by now that simply changing the manager isn't going to fix the fundamental problems our club has. We've picked our guy for better or worse, so let's give the guy some time. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted December 16, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2015 Garde for the long term or Big Sam for the short term? Going on what Garde has said recently about his chat with Lerner, he has come in to rebuild our foundations even if it means going down. I think he was sold a project, to reshape an English football giant (yes we were once) in his own vision, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is thinking of Arsenal and Wenger when he thinks of the future for Villa. This I am cool with, whatever it takes, so long as it works out. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Thats fine then, I never thought Garde was the right man to keep us up but long-term he could build something on similar lines to what Wenger has done at Arsenal but a much smaller scale of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2015 On 12/15/2015 at 07:23, villan_007 said: Their salary has nothing to do with it. Earning fortunes isn't some miracle drug that can turn confidence around. This. Being paid loads doesn't make you immune to issues of confidence. People keep quoting salaries and professions as if it does. but that's idyllic. The real world doesn't work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2015 14 hours ago, PaulC said: No but is his remit to keep us in the division or more long-term? I think his remit was probably both. But hopefully (assuming he does a good job while he's here and doesn't end up being a disaster this season) the people in charge realise that failing on the first remit doesn't necessarily mean he's going to fail on the second remit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Jean Tigana did very well in the Championship with Fulham and won the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think Garde is a good manager from what I have seen but the players are just mediocre. He really has ruined his career coming here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) 23 hours ago, pacbuddies said: ....... Pearson was out of work - that's who id have gone for, FWIW....so would I I just don't get how some fans are so anti, him. It seems to me a tendency to want a foreign manager.....I have no axe to grind with Remi, we have to wait and see. The reason I would have gone for Pearson is because, I think most of our problems are of a "John Bull" nature or lacking it.....He knows the English lower divisions, He knows where the Vardy's are and the Drinkwaters.....He likes the triers. I think he would bring the much needed Discipline that this club requires, However I have a hunch Remi is no slouch on that either. No one can be SURE of the right man. We have Remi.....so we must get behind him. Stoke have kind of morphed in to a more technical/expansive game from a pragmatic solid holding game. as shankly used to say......You have to win the RIGHT to play football......Its all very well going out to entertain and improvising, when you are forever fetching the ball out of your own net. First things first. Edited December 16, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2015 My trepidation around Pearson was the fact that he's so volatile. That could work, or it could have been a total disaster. I've seen nothing from Garde yet to suggest he's going to be worse than appointing Pearson would have been. He needs longer than 5 games to show that. I get the impression that longer term Garde would be the better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 He got promotion with Leicester and kept them in the division so yes he's more likely to keep us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) This good manager has flucked 2 points out of 18 and plays Gestede every week. An insipid apportionment if ever there was one. But because he's Wenger's mate he seems beyond criticism. And he's still banging the Adama isn't ready drum. I'd be happy if he got a one way EuroStar ticket for Christmas. An obvious dud. Edited December 16, 2015 by supernova26 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sexbelowsound Posted December 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2015 14 minutes ago, supernova26 said: This good manager has flucked 2 points out of 18 and plays Gestede every week. An insipid apportionment if ever there was one. But because he's Wenger's mate he seems beyond criticism. And he's still banging the Adama isn't ready drum. I'd be happy if he got a one way EuroStar ticket for Christmas. An obvious dud. Did you not enjoy watching him at Lyon? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2015 I don't understand how anyone can claim Garde is a good manager from what they've seen so far. Nothing concrete points to that direction. Hopefully his results improve as he's here to stay for awhile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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