DCJonah Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Were we not the team that covered the least amount of distance in the league? I'm not sure being 4th in the laziest team in the league is much evidence of excellent fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 21 minutes ago, hippo said: What issues did Veretout have ? He wasn't good enough - 3 managers have already come to that conclusion (possibly 4 if you count RDM) . I d seriously rip someones hand of at any offer over £3m - I was reffering to the issues mentioned earlier in the thread about living at the Belfry instead of a home, with his wife and newborn child meaning a lack of sleep and energy, he did not speak the language, all this while trying to settle into a struggling team that won one game of the first 10. I don't know how true it was, but It was reported that Sherwood wasn't talking to him when he first arrived, which delayed his settling in period. All things that can affect people no matter how much money they earn. I definitely would not accept £3m, that would be a significant loss on the books bearing in mind what we paid (£8m i think), and any loyalty fees that we would have to pay to the player from his contract for selling him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 37 minutes ago, hippo said: Id vouch for the unfit part to be honest. He looked knackered around 20 minutes - and the process of getting knackered didn't produce much either.. I guess unfit is an opinion too - a professional footballer running the 5th most on the team when apparently unfit certainly isn't lacking in effort... ...and he produced more than any other midfielder creatively (not that is says much after last season!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted July 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2016 21 hours ago, bobzy said: If our players are as shit as many are making out then it's hardly surprising we aren't getting them sold! They are. Last year really hurt their value, even if some here have decided it was the managers' fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 On 7/18/2016 at 10:29, markavfc40 said: Midfield is the weakest area of our squad for me and I think last season it had a big knock on effect to how the rest of the team performed. It has been a big issue for a while in fairness but there is no doubt that having lost Delph and Cleverly from the previous seasons squad we failed to replace them with anything like the same quality. With the midfield being so weak it meant the defence had little protection and the failure to be able to maintain possession meant we spent most of games without the ball and under pressure. The midfield also lacks creativity so the forwards were fed on scraps. I have said before you can make an argument for Gana, Westwood, Veretout, Sanchez staying but those players all had plenty of game time last season and combined they were absolutely dire and failed to control any game. Major surgery is needed in this area of the pitch so I therefore have no problem with two or three of them being replaced. In fact I think it is vital that we start next season with a new engine room. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Veretout didn't turn up for his medical at Marseille. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Veretout didn't turn up for his medical at Marseille. Veretout did he go? Edited July 23, 2016 by sne 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Real Betis are in for him, waiting on their offer - Brum Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 if he wants out then he can't kick up a fuss when an option is available. I'd withdraw the opportunity and make him play in the championship next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Edit: Bloody phone Edited July 23, 2016 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 28 minutes ago, theboyangel said: if he wants out then he can't kick up a fuss when an option is available. I'd withdraw the opportunity and make him play in the championship next season. IF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) On 7/18/2016 at 10:40, bobzy said: I disagree on this. Our midfield may well have not performed well (to be fair, neither did any of our side!) but it certainly wasn't our weakest area. In fact, it was probably our strongest. In terms of possession, pass success and general indicators of "controlling a game", Villa were very much bang average in the Premier League table. However, when it came to taking shots, converting chances, stopping attacks et al, we were very much at the bottom end of the Premier League table. I think a lot of the problem was the changing in managers - each of which didn't really seem to implement a clear plan (apart from Garde, who was more cautious before eventually doing nothing). I genuinely don't think our team knew what it was meant to be doing. Well, we will soon see if much has changed. I would like to have seen a reference to closing down, squeezing, pressing and a general appetite for the physical encounter, also significant factors to " controlling the game" We ( despite so many player changes over the years) struggle to do those things.....That why we need strikers who can score oodles of goals per game. We need to be exponents of the 1-0/2-0 winning game to be confident of going up. Edited July 23, 2016 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted July 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2016 Starts tonight vs Nantes. Must be staying for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Didn't we buy him from Nantes? Perhaps he wanted to play this game before leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) I really do think he's a nothing player, he has shown, well, nothing out there today, just like for most of last season. Can we not flog him and sign someone like Knockaert? A player who actually makes an impact from the centre. Edited July 23, 2016 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Taken off at half time, replaced by Grealish. Could be the end of his Villa career? Edited July 23, 2016 by Supervillan78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, Supervillan78 said: Taken off at half time, replaced by Grealish. Could be the end of his Villa career? Hopefully! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 It was a pre-season friendly ffs. People read too much into things that aren't really there IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted July 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2016 Just leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Although I feel he has alot to offer we was bloody poor today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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