sexbelowsound Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Zatman said: we are Marseille feeder club at moment, surely they be favourites to go down in Ligue 1 if keep signing our crap Who have we fed to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 17 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Who have we fed to them? Just about everyone, including players that aren't even ours (or ours, that aren't even players) if you believe the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Fine with me, hopefully they buy him at the end of the loan. Guy was garbage and couldn't pass the ball more than 5 yards without giving it the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 2 hours ago, maqroll said: About to be loaned out to Marseilles apparently. Good move, IMO. He's not a bad player and don't want to get rid of him. I do not see what is in it for us by our loaning him to a club that cannot afford to meet the asking price for the player. Either he stays with us and uses next season to prove his worth or someone makes us an offer that we cannot refuse. He along with several other players owes us a good season in the league that we now find we are in because of how they performed during last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, John said: I do notn see what is in it for us by our loaning him to a club that cannot afford to meet the asking price for the player. Either hestays with us and uses next season to prove his worth or someone makes us an offer that we cannot refuse. He along with several other players owes us a good season in the league that we now find we are in because of how they performed during last season. A loan could just be because Marseille can't afford him this summer. There could be a deal in place which makes it permanent next year. It also gets him off the wage bill and puts him in the shop window if we don't have a future deal in place. It's not ideal but I guess it's an option if the player wants out or RDM sees nothing in him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, bobzy said: I can only assume you want to sell the entire squad. Sounds a great idea to me! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, bobzy said: He contributed more than most. I can only assume you want to sell the entire squad. sell? I would happily release 90% of them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Maybe Xia has bought Marseille? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted July 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) We have players in midfield who are simply not effective enough in taking control of a game. They can make some impressive passes now again a few cameo's, a 5 minutes here and there.....a few pirouettes,the odd bit of improvisation to tempt us. We need large proportions of the game, where that are "at it" and making a major contribution to attack and defence.we need water carriers who can mix it. what I have seen over recent years is players who are passive and looking for someone else to take responsibility we need drivers in midfield.Players to take the game to the opposition and wear them down. Edited July 18, 2016 by TRO 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted July 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2016 24 minutes ago, TRO said: We have players in midfield who are simply not effective enough in taking control of a game. They can make some impressive passes now again a few cameo's, a 5 minutes here and there.....a few pirouettes,the odd bit of improvisation to tempt us. We need large proportions of the game, where that are "at it" and making a major contribution to attack and defence.we need water carriers who can mix it. what I have seen over recent years is players who are passive and looking for someone else to take responsibility we need drivers in midfield.Players to take the game to the opposition and wear them down. Midfield is the weakest area of our squad for me and I think last season it had a big knock on effect to how the rest of the team performed. It has been a big issue for a while in fairness but there is no doubt that having lost Delph and Cleverly from the previous seasons squad we failed to replace them with anything like the same quality. With the midfield being so weak it meant the defence had little protection and the failure to be able to maintain possession meant we spent most of games without the ball and under pressure. The midfield also lacks creativity so the forwards were fed on scraps. I have said before you can make an argument for Gana, Westwood, Veretout, Sanchez staying but those players all had plenty of game time last season and combined they were absolutely dire and failed to control any game. Major surgery is needed in this area of the pitch so I therefore have no problem with two or three of them being replaced. In fact I think it is vital that we start next season with a new engine room. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 If Veretout leaving either on loan/permanent means we can sign a new midfielder, I'm all for it. He was shit last season and we need to bring in wide players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Midfield is the weakest area of our squad for me and I think last season it had a big knock on effect to how the rest of the team performed. It has been a big issue for a while in fairness but there is no doubt that having lost Delph and Cleverly from the previous seasons squad we failed to replace them with anything like the same quality. With the midfield being so weak it meant the defence had little protection and the failure to be able to maintain possession meant we spent most of games without the ball and under pressure. The midfield also lacks creativity so the forwards were fed on scraps. I have said before you can make an argument for Gana, Westwood, Veretout, Sanchez staying but those players all had plenty of game time last season and combined they were absolutely dire and failed to control any game. Major surgery is needed in this area of the pitch so I therefore have no problem with two or three of them being replaced. In fact I think it is vital that we start next season with a new engine room. I disagree on this. Our midfield may well have not performed well (to be fair, neither did any of our side!) but it certainly wasn't our weakest area. In fact, it was probably our strongest. In terms of possession, pass success and general indicators of "controlling a game", Villa were very much bang average in the Premier League table. However, when it came to taking shots, converting chances, stopping attacks et al, we were very much at the bottom end of the Premier League table. I think a lot of the problem was the changing in managers - each of which didn't really seem to implement a clear plan (apart from Garde, who was more cautious before eventually doing nothing). I genuinely don't think our team knew what it was meant to be doing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 7/18/2016 at 10:38, Delphinho123 said: He was shit last season and we need to bring in wide players. Gabby and Richards are enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Being widely reported that a loan has now been agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 20, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2016 I think he could've done a good job for us, but if he didn't want to play in this league then this is for the best. Hopefully it gets him completely off the wage bill for this season at least. If he's going out it's because RDM is OK with it. So it's part of the plan Get someone willing in to replace him now. We need a lynchpin in the middle. Jedinak please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Very disappointing if true. Not one I'd be desperate to get shot of. Strikes me that the ones we want to go will stay and the ones we want to stay will go Edited July 20, 2016 by Richard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Richard said: Very disappointing if true. Not one I'd be desperate to get shot of. Strikes me that the ones we want to go will stay and the ones we want to stay will go This seems rather (unsurprisingly) pessimistic. The talk today is of Guzan, Sinclair, Richards and Veretout leaving. I'd say of that lot Veretout maybe could do a job but was unimpressive at large last year anyway. This also ignores the fact that only Richardson and N'Zogbia have actually left so far - both of whom are clearly not up to it. So basically you're guessing and guessing at the most negative option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 minute ago, tom_avfc said: This seems rather (unsurprisingly) pessimistic. The talk today is of Guzan, Sinclair, Richards and Veretout leaving. I'd say of that lot Veretout maybe could do a job but was unimpressive at large last year anyway. This also ignores the fact that only Richardson and N'Zogbia have actually left so far - both of whom are clearly not up to it. So basically you're guessing and guessing at the most negative option. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2016 Not sure how I feel about this. I certainly see something in Veretout. I think there's a player in there for sure. I appreciate he might be unhappy, and may want a return to France to find his feet again, but I don't particularly want to sell him, so maybe on balance a loan move to sort his head out might be a good move, but I'd prefer him to find his feet here. I think he's a bit of a confidence player so if he can go have a blinder in France whilst we get promoted, then he can come back that would be good. Sadly, I think if we loan him out we will never see him again in a Villa shirt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Not sure how I feel about this. I certainly see something in Veretout. I think there's a player in there for sure. I appreciate he might be unhappy, and may want a return to France to find his feet again, but I don't particularly want to sell him, so maybe on balance a loan move to sort his head out might be a good move, but I'd prefer him to find his feet here. I think he's a bit of a confidence player so if he can go have a blinder in France whilst we get promoted, then he can come back that would be good. Sadly, I think if we loan him out we will never see him again in a Villa shirt. Pretty much where I am with him. I don't think he'll be a huge loss based on last year's performances where he was no more effective than Westwood but I do think he's capable of much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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