skarroki Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 51 minutes ago, TRO said: I don't know how that has happened.....only had a pint down the match today My go-to excuse is the dodgy geezer at the bar must have spiked it for a laugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midian Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 If only he could play like that every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 6 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I don't buy this, his decision making and execution of pass has not been up to par in a lot of games. I think he's a talented player, but is unable to piece it all together consistently, plus overall his decision making isn't very good, these issues are all his fault and his alone. With his ability he ought to be showing that he's a level above this division every time he plays, unfortunately for us he doesn't show this often enough. I disagree for the most part. He's a forward thinking player who likes to make things happen. When he keeps hold of the ball too long or gets caught in possession, it's often to do with minimal to no movement from those around him. You can tell from his body language with every backwards pass he's forced to make that he really doesn't enjoy doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spray Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 He did good in his 20 minute spell yesterday and may have earned a start against Leeds. If he does feature, we need to be seeing this Ayew, the one who looks threatening with some sort of end product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 10 hours ago, TRO said: The problem with them all is consistency.....thats one of the reasons SB is for ever swapping them around. I totally agree. He absolutely deserved to be dropped after that Norwich performance, as did Grealish. That was never the point being made, his form was in the toilet and he is extremely frustrating. However, I also find it frustrating to see so many people now coming to 'defend' Ayew and stating that they know he has the ability, following weeks of unopposed talk of booting him out. It makes Villa Talk so bloody predictable at times, I'd much rather hear from Trent today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 27, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: It makes Villa Talk so bloody predictable at times, I'd much rather hear from Trent today Why? One run and cross hasn't changed my view on him just as one poor performance wouldn't change yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Why? One run and cross hasn't changed my view on him just as one poor performance wouldn't change yours. Because I'm wondering what it will take for you to accept that he has the ability, if not the consistency yet, to make it here. It wasn't a pop at you as such, only that you've been his most visible detractor, so your name sprang to mind. It wasn't just "one run and cross" either, at least that's not what I'm basing my argument on. It was his general drive, ambition and end product that won us the game yesterday. Not to mention the kind of tackle a defender would be lauded for. I also saw him smile at one point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Plays badly, gets called shit. Plays better, gets defended. Not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 minute ago, lexicon said: Plays badly, gets called shit. Plays better, gets defended. Not rocket science. No, but it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 27, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Because I'm wondering what it will take for you to accept that he has the ability, if not the consistency yet, to make it here. It wasn't a pop at you as such, only that you've been his most visible detractor, so your name sprang to mind. It wasn't just "one run and cross" either, at least that's not what I'm basing my argument on. It was his general drive, ambition and end product that won us the game yesterday. Not to mention the kind of tackle a defender would be lauded for. I also saw him smile at one point I've only seen the highlights so that's all I've seen. Ive never said he is without ability, you are projecting an opinion on me that Ive not expressed. He clearly has ability on the ball, what i think he lacks is ability to use what talent he has to have a meaningful impact on a game or contribution to the team, I think he lacks the awareness of team mates and the game in general to change that. If anything I'm more critical because there is some ability there but his contribution this season has, in my view, been woeful. I'm delighted his contribution helped us win the game yesterday but it's one moment in one game. For what we paid for him and what we continue to pay for him he should have contributed more. My view therefore remains the same, if we sold him and replaced him with someone who had a bigger impact on the team I'd be happy. Much as we did with Adama/Adoma. Frankly I struggle to understand why that stance is so difficult for some to swallow, in theory it applies to all players at all times. As for Ayew himself, we've had glimpses of impact from him before such as the second half against Forest. If he can do it with anything even remotely resembling consistency then I'll change my view on him as it is I fully expect him to continue in much the same vein. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) It's not "one moment in one game" thought is it as you yourself say. I accept your view that if we had replaced him with somebody who had a more consistent impact, just as we did Adomah for Adama, you would be happy. That's fine, I'm not finding that difficult to swallow at all. You are now arguing against a point I haven't made. However I think that is a lot more difficult a task than you make it sound. Players with his ability AND consistency don't grow on trees, if we can find them I too would be elated. I'd still want us to keep Ayew, for his ability to impact a game in such a short space of time. Like yesterday, like Reading, like Forest. Edited December 27, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I don't understand how a less impactful player (say, Grealish) gets lauded but Ayew gets criticised for not doing enough. They basically play the same role. Why is one given all the time in the world and "must start" whereas the other gets called up for "not doing enough"? (FWIW, I think I'd start them both) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: I don't understand how a less impactful player (say, Grealish) gets lauded but Ayew gets criticised for not doing enough. They basically play the same role. Why is one given all the time in the world and "must start" whereas the other gets called up for "not doing enough"? (FWIW, I think I'd start them both) Over the course of this season, Grealish has had a bigger impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 If it was left to individual player ability and nothing else .... we would be challenging in the top 6 but its much more than that. Steve Bruce has conceded in the local press that some of these players inc Ayew have had their confidence ripped apart with last season and early this. He said it takes some rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: I've only seen the highlights so that's all I've seen. Ive never said he is without ability, you are projecting an opinion on me that Ive not expressed. He clearly has ability on the ball, what i think he lacks is ability to use what talent he has to have a meaningful impact on a game or contribution to the team, I think he lacks the awareness of team mates and the game in general to change that. If anything I'm more critical because there is some ability there but his contribution this season has, in my view, been woeful. I'm delighted his contribution helped us win the game yesterday but it's one moment in one game. For what we paid for him and what we continue to pay for him he should have contributed more. My view therefore remains the same, if we sold him and replaced him with someone who had a bigger impact on the team I'd be happy. Much as we did with Adama/Adoma. Frankly I struggle to understand why that stance is so difficult for some to swallow, in theory it applies to all players at all times. As for Ayew himself, we've had glimpses of impact from him before such as the second half against Forest. If he can do it with anything even remotely resembling consistency then I'll change my view on him as it is I fully expect him to continue in much the same vein. Frustratingly I think you both have valid points. both Ayew and Grealish made a significant impact when they came on their talent was in start contrast to what had been dished up. Grealish is definately looking stronger and more durable and still retaining that Steve Heighway/Tommy Hutchinson gangly elusiveness However, we need that for a full game not half an hour.....but baby steps and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Sunderland are rumored to lose both Defoe and Borini in January. Wonder if they will come in and rival the Chinese for Ayew? If not they are free to take Kozak, Gabby, Gestede or even for the right money McCormack off our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 @sne I can't see Defoe being sold, it is throwing the towel in. Ayew won't attract PL teams at present, as has been pointed out above, he really needs to show consistency of a long period. He is certainly not a team player and as an individual, whilst there is an occasional spark of genius, he is just not stand out enough to warrant interest from bottom half teams and top half teams will have better players/systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 1 hour ago, sne said: Sunderland are rumored to lose both Defoe and Borini in January. Wonder if they will come in and rival the Chinese for Ayew? If not they can take Kozak, Gabby, Gestede for free or even for the right money McCormack off our hands. Fixed that for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Grafter. Rubbish footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Didn't play in the areas where he was going to cause Leeds problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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