tonyh29 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Ed done what he should have done a few years ago Wonder who Unite will elect next ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2015 From Gordon Brown to Ed Milliband. The people don't *really* want the Tories. They just don't have much choice right now. This. As per my post earlier. I'm a floating voter. My vote should have EASILY been obtained by Labour. It wasn't a hard sell. (not that it mattered, they won my seat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 How anyone could argue that 500 FREE schools are a positive. They're an absolute joke. And the Tories have decimated education. Dave, I agree. Labour have ballsed (lol) up this campaign so badly. ^ nonsense. The teachers unions went on strike because the working conditions were (are) being so badly affected that they can't teach children properly anymore. 1 or 2 days of disruptions for individual parents or 5 years of most children being worse off in the classroom. I know which I'd rather have and you're proving my point here. I agree with regards to Tube strikes. They can **** off. Teachers who think that conditions are so bad they can't teach any more need to get a grip and spend some time in the real world. Ha. Ha. Ha. You. Have. No. Idea. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 If this Labour was too left for Britain then we shall never see a shift to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 How anyone could argue that 500 FREE schools are a positive. They're an absolute joke. And the Tories have decimated education. Dave, I agree. Labour have ballsed (lol) up this campaign so badly. ^ nonsense. The teachers unions went on strike because the working conditions were (are) being so badly affected that they can't teach children properly anymore. 1 or 2 days of disruptions for individual parents or 5 years of most children being worse off in the classroom. I know which I'd rather have and you're proving my point here. I agree with regards to Tube strikes. They can **** off. Teachers who think that conditions are so bad they can't teach any more need to get a grip and spend some time in the real world. Can't teach or can't teach effectively because they're consistently under pressure from jumping through hoops? No point in even engaging you in this. Your contempt for teachers is clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Not bingo. 'Stuff everybody else' seems to be an accusation levelled at the Conservatives and their voters, while Labour supporters help old ladies across the street and voluntarily give their money away to the taxman. When unions are calling people out on strike, eg the teachers, do they give a stuff that they're massively inconveniencing working parents, particularly lowly paid ones? Do they stuff. Or that the pensions they're striking about have to be paid by everybody else who for the most part don't get such generous retirement provisions? What about striking Tube workers bringing London to a standstill and making the lives of people trying to get to work an utter misery? Well, the unions got Ed elected, and THAT'S what's caused this monumental defeat, so they'll have to suck it up and get on with it. Everybody is in in it for themselves, but the left wing position is to make everybody equally badly off. Ever taught in a school before out of interest? I appreciate that it's impossible for everyone to have first hand experience of every situation but to suggest that teachers don't give a stuff about inconveniencing parents is just plain wrong. Many of us have actually given up on striking simply because we don't want to inconvenience parents or our students and striking on the whole as a way of getting our point across isn't really an option the Unions are going with anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Looks like a majority government. Even better news than before I went to bed, good to see. Just out of interest, why is this such a positive thing? Apologises if you've already explained it! double the free hours of childcare for working parents of three and four-year-olds from 15 hours to 30 hours a week during term-time parents will benefit from up to £5,000 worth of free childcare a year raise the personal income tax allowance by £2,000 to £12,500 by 2020 at least 500 extra free schools with enough places for 270,000 children will be built prioritise brownfield development scrap Human Rights Act and replace with a British Bill of Rights These are the key things for me, plus I have been happy with the work they have done since they have been in power (as I stated that's from a personal point of view as my main priority is me and my family) Cheers, Was just intrigued to see what people thought the positives were for another Conservative term. On the 500 extra free schools though. They'll be lucky if they have any teachers to teach in those schools with the way they've treated Education in their first term. No worries, I have always voted conservative and I doubt that will change, I am by no means wealthy or privelaged though as some on here seem to think you need to be to vote tory. I I earn 29k per year, my partner works for the nhs as a dietician and earns 24k, we have a 3 year old daughter and are homeowners and have two cars so we are not uncomfortable either. I pay for life insurance cover, critical ilness cover, private healthcare, private dental care etc as well as my normal monthly bills for an extra bit of security. it's one thing I have done for a long time for which most of my friends seem to be baffled by which I find odd personally 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) How anyone could argue that 500 FREE schools are a positive. They're an absolute joke. And the Tories have decimated education. Dave, I agree. Labour have ballsed (lol) up this campaign so badly. ^ nonsense. The teachers unions went on strike because the working conditions were (are) being so badly affected that they can't teach children properly anymore. 1 or 2 days of disruptions for individual parents or 5 years of most children being worse off in the classroom. I know which I'd rather have and you're proving my point here. I agree with regards to Tube strikes. They can **** off. Teachers who think that conditions are so bad they can't teach any more need to get a grip and spend some time in the real world. Just interested, are you speaking out of experience of working in education? Seems like a fairly gross oversimplification... Edit: beaten to it! Edited May 8, 2015 by JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Well, the unions got Ed elected...No they didn't.Everybody is in in it for themselves...Will you stop spouting this shit, please? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 How anyone could argue that 500 FREE schools are a positive. They're an absolute joke. And the Tories have decimated education. Dave, I agree. Labour have ballsed (lol) up this campaign so badly. ^ nonsense. The teachers unions went on strike because the working conditions were (are) being so badly affected that they can't teach children properly anymore. 1 or 2 days of disruptions for individual parents or 5 years of most children being worse off in the classroom. I know which I'd rather have and you're proving my point here. I agree with regards to Tube strikes. They can **** off. Teachers who think that conditions are so bad they can't teach any more need to get a grip and spend some time in the real world. Can't teach or can't teach effectively because they're consistently under pressure from jumping through hoops? No point in even engaging you in this. Your contempt for teachers is clear. you say that as if you've been open minded about Tory voters all through these threads ..... but , what are these hoops they jump through ?.. would they be the same sort of hoops that many other people have to jump through but without the need to tell everyone on Facebook ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Teachers who think that conditions are so bad they can't teach any more need to get a grip and spend some time in the real world. Spent much time in a classroom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Not bingo. 'Stuff everybody else' seems to be an accusation levelled at the Conservatives and their voters, while Labour supporters help old ladies across the street and voluntarily give their money away to the taxman. When unions are calling people out on strike, eg the teachers, do they give a stuff that they're massively inconveniencing working parents, particularly lowly paid ones? Do they stuff. Or that the pensions they're striking about have to be paid by everybody else who for the most part don't get such generous retirement provisions? What about striking Tube workers bringing London to a standstill and making the lives of people trying to get to work an utter misery? Well, the unions got Ed elected, and THAT'S what's caused this monumental defeat, so they'll have to suck it up and get on with it. Everybody is in in it for themselves, but the left wing position is to make everybody equally badly off. Ever taught in a school before out of interest? I appreciate that it's impossible for everyone to have first hand experience of every situation but to suggest that teachers don't give a stuff about inconveniencing parents is just plain wrong. Many of us have actually given up on striking simply because we don't want to inconvenience parents or our students and striking on the whole as a way of getting our point across isn't really an option the Unions are going with anymore. Exactly this. Years of working in schools, I never went on strike. But I can see why people did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 How anyone could argue that 500 FREE schools are a positive. They're an absolute joke. And the Tories have decimated education. Dave, I agree. Labour have ballsed (lol) up this campaign so badly. ^ nonsense. The teachers unions went on strike because the working conditions were (are) being so badly affected that they can't teach children properly anymore. 1 or 2 days of disruptions for individual parents or 5 years of most children being worse off in the classroom. I know which I'd rather have and you're proving my point here. I agree with regards to Tube strikes. They can **** off. Teachers who think that conditions are so bad they can't teach any more need to get a grip and spend some time in the real world. Just interested, are you speaking out of experience of working in education? Seems like a fairly gross oversimplification... Edit: beaten to it! He's talking shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I feel depressed, bemused and scared in equal measure. First they came for the jobless, but I had a job so I was ok. Then they came for the disabled, but I was able bodied, so I was ok. Then they came for the poor, but ... Melodramatic isn't it? What, exactly, is going to change in your life in the next 5 years? I am not trying to speak for Jon here as he may completely disagree but I think a lot of working people feel with the Tories that the safety net gets taken away. That if you did lose your job and hit hard times the help needed wouldn't be there and on top you would be stigmatized. I would also expect workers rights will now be further eroded and we will have a culture of fear especially for the low paid. I guess many people won't notice of blind bit of difference initially. The time will come for almost all of us though where we will need some help from the state. Be it needing to see a GP and finding you can't get an appointment for days. Needing to go to A and E and finding yourself waiting hour up on hour to be seen. Waiting too long for a cancer diagnosis and then finding that when you do get it the cancer has advanced and it is too late. Or it may be you or one of yours needs some help looking after an elderly relative but will find the adult social care provision isn't there. Maybe you will become disabled or you will have a disabled son, daughter, granddaughter etc and find that the help both financially and in terms of care services isn't there. I could go on and on. I think you have to look a little beyond the attitude of I am doing alright now. No one knows what awaits them in the future. Of course in addition don't we all have a responsibility to want to ensure that those less fortunate than us, be it through disability, old age, or simply circumstance, have a state provision in place for them both financially and in public services. I don't know what the results of this election represent in terms of what people want. If it represents a majority in this country are happy to go along with' I am doing ok today and whilst its unfortunate other aren't, **** em'. If it is then it's not a country I feel comfortable in. BUT THE TORIES WON'T LET THOSE PEOPLE SUFFER, THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE WAITING HOURS AND HOURS IN A&E, THE DOLE WILL STILL EXIST, I KNOW, I WAS ON IT FOR THREE MONTHS IN 2012! - I EVEN GOT A LETTER IN THAT THREE MONTHS SAYING THEY WERE RAISING THE PAYMENTS!!!!! FFS, the care my nan got when she died in Russels Hall in 2013 was first class, the care my wifes grandmother got when she died in February this year was as good a house care as you could ask for, they installed a lift, a shower room, issued her with numerous wheelchairs (increasing in price as she got more disabled) and who was this all under? THE **** TORIES/Lib Dems. I'm no glorious Tory supporter - I voted Greens for ****'s sake ( ) - but no one is going to be left on the **** pavement and it would be the same, regardless of the government. Your thinking (almost hatred) is much more deeper seeded than is normal. We're not in the 1980s any more, shave your mullet and welcome to the internet. And I say that figuratively. GOD DAMN. Can't tell if serious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Ed gone. I liked him because he seemed like a proper lefty. Analysts saying that's probably what lost him the election missing the centre ground voters. Is it right to sell your soul in order to win votes. It seems any iteration of the labour party will have to be more like new Labour than anything else. I don't think it is that simple. In Scotland, they failed to be lefty enough. In the north of England they struggled to engage those who didn't bother voting as well as failing to deal with UKIP. In the south of England they weren't centrist enough. I'm not sure where Labour go from here. I think there will be a split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 On hospitals, my father in law died recently, and the hospital he was in only had one doctor on call during the weekends. And it wasn't exactly a small place. A friend of mine is a paramedic and most weekends my local area (which covers an hour and half drive to the second nearest hospital) only has one Ambulance crew operating. So yeah, I worry about needing the NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Find me a country on earth where the majority of its inhabitants aren't selfish and I'll move there with you, I promise you. The main problem this time around was the alternative. Labour are rudderless, a **** shambles. The ONLY reason I voted for them myself was out of a sense of duty towards humanity. I don't blame those who are not so inclined, objectively they are right not to vote Labour. This is less about the Tories storming to victory and more about apathy. Get a grip, suck it up and prey. Good post mate and now having just finished reading your final sentence I am going to put politics on the back burner for a while as over this last few weeks it as consumed way too much of my time and emotions. I am that way inclined most of the time, apathetic. The only time I pay much attention is when I can actually have an effect. So despite myself and my claims that I wouldn't, I strode up to the ballot box yesterday morning and had my say. Now we live in the fallout. I still believe in democracy, even when I heard a lad who works for me voted UKIP, even though that almost lost him his job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I absolutely hate politics and the Conservative Labour Swing. 8-10 years of country destroying reforms under the conservatives leads to 8-10 years of Labour prosperity and over stretching. Rinse & Repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 On UKIP... Maybe 8% of those eligible to vote actually voted for them. But is that number accurate? How many Tory/Labour "supporters" didn't go to the ballot? How many UKIP "supporters" stayed away? There is a disparity there I should imagine. Say 6% of the country support UKIP, how many of those are misguided protest votes? Hardly a nation leaning towards the far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I wonder how many are still in favour of Proportional Representation after seeing how many votes UKIP got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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