rodders0223 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) The length of time on his contract has no relevance for me. Is he, in this market, an £8m player? Yes Is he a player who is going to rapidly decline in value? No, I don't think so. Get him signed. Seems like an odd thing to say. In order for him to be worth £8m in this market then there should be another club wanting to buy him but will only go to say £7.5m. Do you think that is the case? Wait? What? So everytime someone has bought a player it's because they out bid someone else? Edited December 18, 2014 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 People don't understand that £8 million is pretty standard for a player of Cleverleys ability. I think he's done ok nothing spectacular. Well I think Delph is a better midfielder so let's see what we get for him if we sell in January. But the deal was agreed in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 'Tim' Westwood is a better player, and he cost nowhere near £8m. I think the Lamb could find better elsewhere at this price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. I'd rather have Westwood in our midfield than Cleverley. Perhaps that doesn't mean he's a better player, but he's more fitting for us right now. The same way that finding an attacking/creative midfielder is a more pressing concern for us than purchasing Tom Cleverley - especially for £8m (I'd be alarmed if we paid that much for him with 6 months left). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Cleverley has got the Sky 4 50% mark up added to his value at the moment. Edited December 18, 2014 by sexbelowsound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) But the deal was agreed in August. But nowhere has it been reported that it was a binding buy clause, rather we "have the option" to buy him for a set amount. We are allowed to bid less than that, it just means that United aren't obliged to accept. But seeing as no other club will be biding anything like £8m for Cleverley in January, we'd be fools not to at least force the price down. Edited December 18, 2014 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The length of time on his contract has no relevance for me. Is he, in this market, an £8m player? Yes Is he a player who is going to rapidly decline in value? No, I don't think so. Get him signed. Seems like an odd thing to say. In order for him to be worth £8m in this market then there should be another club wanting to buy him but will only go to say £7.5m. Do you think that is the case? Wait? What? So everytime someone has bought a player it's because they out bid someone else? Not literally but essentially yes. In order for us to believe he is worth £8m it is because we believe other teams could/would outbid us if we offered less. Otherwise why wouldnt we offer £6m or £4m or £2m? Obviously part of his price is what Utd are willing to accept but given he is out of contract in 6 months (or 12 months for the sake of argument about when this deal was done) then they were willing to accept the maximum price that anyone offered. Point I am making is a price is dictated by what a seller will accept and what the market is willing to pay. - -- - To be honest I think this whole discussion is redundant as I don't think the £8m figure is anywhere near accurate for a lot of reasons and I think it will do his image a great deal of harm unless the club are clear on the details when or if we do buy him (something that is increasingly rare with purchases these days). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. I'd rather have Westwood in our midfield than Cleverley. Perhaps that doesn't mean he's a better player, but he's more fitting for us right now. The same way that finding an attacking/creative midfielder is a more pressing concern for us than purchasing Tom Cleverley - especially for £8m (I'd be alarmed if we paid that much for him with 6 months left). Agree. And for me Westwood is better than Cleverley, opinions and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The 8m (if that's what has been agreed) fee applies to the player with 11/12 months left on his contract. Whether people feel we could have got around 8m for Delph in the summer with 11/12 months left on his contract is something we can all disagree on. But you cant compare the Delph situation now with the Cleverley one then. As far as I know through the media there are options over this loan where Utd could take him back or we could complete a full transfer in January. Not sure if legally we or Utd are really allowed to prevent the 3rd option which is Cleverley runs down his contract, avoids signing for us and sees where the free transfer market takes him in the summer. But the 8m fee has nothing to do with there being 6 months left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. He is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. He is. He isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 None of them is anything special, and certainly not value for money at £8m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. He is. He isn't. Is too. (this is fun!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. He is. He isn't. Tell me how he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Westwood definitely isn't better than Cleverley. That's mad. He is. He isn't. Tell me how he is. I'm confused - you're the one who said he is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 He isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Neither are good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Neither are good enough Yep, we could do better than both if we're being perfectly honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 He is worth 8m, no he is not, well he is a good player, who said that, he has quality, he is from from Man u, wouldn't pay 8m, Westwood, blahhh blahhh. Just summed up this thread for any newbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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