ROTTERDAM1982 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Unsuccessfully by the sound of it. Two different kinds of players, would only have one of them in the team at the same time. I would say Westwood cost £2m?, and they want £8m for Cleverley.Both very similar quality imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Considering passing is meant to be his strength, he can't even do that. His amount of passes and pass success percentage yesterday were both better than Westwood's averages for the season. And that's in a team down to 10 men. Westwood plays all range of passes and puts in corners and free kicks, he is always the midfielder with the most long balls attempted also whereas Cleverley just keeps it simple which leads to him having better looking passing stats. Ding ding ding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Well that looks like the points changed Stefan. You said passing was his strength and he couldn't even do that right, when quite clearly he could do that right yesterday. Now the different type of passing is a different point, not sure how its related to your criticism of cleverley for yesterdays game. Also Westwood plays 3.6 long balls per game compared to 3 by cleverley. So not a huge difference. My original post was not a dig at Westwood, i was just surprised someone who rates Westwood so highly had a go at cleverley with nothing to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Could possibly end up with a Baros/Carew type deal with Lego Ron, But 8m No… Just A **** Big Fat No Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 If he went to everton, Liverpool he would be a 8 million player. Because we can't find his strengths and have a similar player he is half that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Ah so it's the club's fault he's shite? Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 If he went to everton, Liverpool he would be a 8 million player. Because we can't find his strengths and have a similar player he is half that??? I think one of his strengths is high pressing- getting the ball back quickly. We dont do that. We get everyone behind the ball. So we will never see the best of Cleverley in our side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Ah so it's the club's fault he's shite? Nonsense. Lambert blatently wants 99% of the team to be defensive, thats why he don't get 100% out of Cleverley, or any of the players actually. We look our best when we attack with pace but Lambert has no faith in his team to play this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I think it's fair to put blame on the manager for not getting the most out of the players. Have we scored just 10 goals because the players are shit? Or are the system and tactics playing a part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 If he went to everton, Liverpool he would be a 8 million player. Because we can't find his strengths and have a similar player he is half that??? I think one of his strengths is high pressing- getting the ball back quickly. We dont do that. We get everyone behind the ball. So we will never see the best of Cleverley in our side. Pressing high isn't really a strength of a player, its a tactic. His strength in that case would be his energy, work rate and tackling etc. All of which could be accomplished with either a high or a deep line. I'm not sure we've seen the best of Cleverley, but then again I don't think he is particularly good anyway. Hope to be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 If he went to everton, Liverpool he would be a 8 million player. Because we can't find his strengths and have a similar player he is half that??? I think one of his strengths is high pressing- getting the ball back quickly. We dont do that. We get everyone behind the ball. So we will never see the best of Cleverley in our side. Pressing high isn't really a strength of a player, its a tactic. His strength in that case would be his energy, work rate and tackling etc. All of which could be accomplished with either a high or a deep line. I'm not sure we've seen the best of Cleverley, but then again I don't think he is particularly good anyway. Hope to be proved wrong. He is not defensive thats for sure. But its becoming a requirement for Lamberts team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 If he went to everton, Liverpool he would be a 8 million player. Because we can't find his strengths and have a similar player he is half that??? I think one of his strengths is high pressing- getting the ball back quickly. We dont do that. We get everyone behind the ball. So we will never see the best of Cleverley in our side. Pressing high isn't really a strength of a player, its a tactic. His strength in that case would be his energy, work rate and tackling etc. All of which could be accomplished with either a high or a deep line. I'm not sure we've seen the best of Cleverley, but then again I don't think he is particularly good anyway. Hope to be proved wrong. He is not defensive thats for sure. But its becoming a requirement for Lamberts team. Yeah it is the way we play to be honest. I'd like to see Westwood sitting and Sanchez and either Delph/Cleverley pressing higher. Not all 3 of them in a line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Cleverley has the play safe mentality that Westwood has but without any of the expansiveness. Just not worth 8 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Cleverley has the play safe mentality that Westwood has but without any of the expansiveness. Just not worth 8 million Its the way lambert wants him to play, he has been coached to be defensive minded since being here I guess, He certainly wasn't that kind of player at Man U. Edited December 14, 2014 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Cleverley has the play safe mentality that Westwood has but without any of the expansiveness. Just not worth 8 million Its the way lambert wants him to play, he has been coached to be defensive minded since being here I guess, He certainly wasn't that kind of player at Man U. Out of interest, Are you basing that on MOTD highlights or did you watch a lot of full Man Utd games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Cleverley has the play safe mentality that Westwood has but without any of the expansiveness. Just not worth 8 million Its the way lambert wants him to play, he has been coached to be defensive minded since being here I guess, He certainly wasn't that kind of player at Man U. Out of interest, Are you basing that on MOTD highlights or did you watch a lot of full Man Utd games? I watch other games for a bit of entertainment when we are shit! So practically all the time yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Cleverley has the play safe mentality that Westwood has but without any of the expansiveness. Just not worth 8 million Its the way lambert wants him to play, he has been coached to be defensive minded since being here I guess, He certainly wasn't that kind of player at Man U. Out of interest, Are you basing that on MOTD highlights or did you watch a lot of full Man Utd games? I watch other games for a bit of entertainment when we are shit! So practically all the time yeah! Yeah I do the same. I just can't really watch the Premier League personally. I watch every Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund game instead, unfortunately for the latter its been worse than us! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I get the feeling Keane wanted him, not Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I get the feeling Keane wanted him, not Lambert. Not a bad shout, With Keane gone it'll be interesting to see if we go through with the deal in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I think Cleverly is decent enough and could be utilised far better, but would take a lot of deprogramming to get him to be creative and attacking. If we are losing Delph anyway, there are worse players we could buy. But we could probably spend 8mil better abroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts