Skruff Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I think the result is more down to Mourinho not being there, then OGS being there. Great start though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Skruff said: I think the result is more down to Mourinho not being there, then OGS being there. Great start though! I don't know. They didn't play great when Giggs were their caretaker manager. Time will really tell though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I don't know. They didn't play great when Giggs were their caretaker manager. Time will really tell though They won their first game 4-0 v Norwich under Giggs. Think Man. United fans are just happy they saw some attacking football for a change but Cardiff can still easily get relegated. If Man. United start playing like that v likes of Leicester, Everton, Wolves and Bournemouth that will be progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 From a long way back I thought Jose was working towards getting the sack. The fact he never moved out of the hotel supports that theory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Genie said: From a long way back I thought Jose was working towards getting the sack. The fact he never moved out of the hotel supports that theory. The parallels between him and Bruce's reign here are uncanny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Xela said: If you are paid £200k a week you should sweat blood every single day for the team They're employees. Money doesn't come into it... they need to be motivated and treated right by their bosses like everyone else, or they won't give their best. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 5 hours ago, MrDuck said: They're employees. Money doesn't come into it... they need to be motivated and treated right by their bosses like everyone else, or they won't give their best. Exactly, I can't believe people are still sticking up for Jose. Fair enough if it was a one off but it's happened at every club he has been at in recent years. The man is an idiot for slagging off his players over and over again in public, not to mention his shit out of date tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 8 hours ago, MrDuck said: They're employees. Money doesn't come into it... they need to be motivated and treated right by their bosses like everyone else, or they won't give their best. You go in and give your best every day. You think it would be acceptable for a surgeon/doctor to botch an operation because he wasn't happy at how the NHS is being run? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 He is not the Jose of Chelsea MKI. Since his whole Tax avoidance case and the Evo Canero (Chelsea mkII) saga the man appears to have lost it. I will be suprised to see him manage in England again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 23, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, Xela said: You go in and give your best every day. You think it would be acceptable for a surgeon/doctor to botch an operation because he wasn't happy at how the NHS is being run? Humans are human. I think if an NHS Dr. was asked to stay late by a boss they didn’t rate, they might say “stuff that, if you can’t organise a roster properly that’s your fault ” or whatever. Everyone has their lines. People will do more, try harder for those they respect/like/admire. Managers “losing the dressing room” is a thing because people are people. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2018 I think both Jose and the players were to blame. But Jose has a proven track record of being a dick and it’s easier to get rid of one manager. My gut feeling, based on not much else, is they won’t be challenging for the title while Woodward is running the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 It doesn't matter how much you earn. If you are not valued or treated with respect you are not going to perform at your best. Out of school I was working in warehouses and DCs. There were gaffers I would run through brick walls for even on minimum wage and there were gaffers I would down tools for. **** em. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said: I think both Jose and the players were to blame. But Jose has a proven track record of being a dick and it’s easier to get rid of one manager. My gut feeling, based on not much else, is they won’t be challenging for the title while Woodward is running the club. Mainly Jose i would say. Pogba, Martial, Lingard are all attacking players and Jose kept telling them to sit back and defend. No wonder the players get unhappy, some managers just arent fit for certain clubs. I don't think OGS have what it takes at the highest level, Poch or Zidane in the summer i bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Xela said: You go in and give your best every day. You think it would be acceptable for a surgeon/doctor to botch an operation because he wasn't happy at how the NHS is being run? A footballer not playing very well isn't going to kill someone. That's probably the difference there. Everyone is motivated in different ways. Money is only really a motivator when you don't have it. When you get to the levels of elite footballers it's just a number. Being told you're paid 200k a week doesn't motivate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I hope Pochettino doesn’t leave for United. I quite like him. If only to keep the balance in the league as no doubt once he departs Spurs they will crash down as a team with players wanting to leave etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: I hope Pochettino doesn’t leave for United. I quite like him. If only to keep the balance in the league as no doubt once he departs Spurs they will crash down as a team with players wanting to leave etc. I think he has taken Spurs as far as they can go. It's near impossible to overtake City and Liverpool when they spend so much more money than you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Pogba with 2 goals and 3 assists in 2 games since Mou left. Granted against terrible teams, but still. More than one side to this story as Pogba should have played better and been more professional while Mou was there, but it also shows Pogba is a real player when allowed to be. Added him to my fantasy team as soon as Mou was sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 22/12/2018 at 21:52, Genie said: From a long way back I thought Jose was working towards getting the sack. The fact he never moved out of the hotel supports that theory. Far too much made of the hotel thing. It's not like he was staying in a travelodge, it was a luxury apartment with a kitchen,bathroom, lounge & dining room with a baby grand piano. not only that he has a full cleaning service for the room & clothes, meals on demand and security etc. Quite handy when you are coming & going at random hours every day. Why would him renting a house/apartment on his own somewhere be any better? If the rumoured half a million bill is to be believed i am sure a house/apartment + cleaner & food etc would be the same, if not more than this anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: Far too much made of the hotel thing. It's not like he was staying in a travelodge, it was a luxury apartment with a kitchen,bathroom, lounge & dining room with a baby grand piano. not only that he has a full cleaning service for the room & clothes, meals on demand and security etc. Quite handy when you are coming & going at random hours every day. Why would him renting a house/apartment on his own somewhere be any better? If the rumoured half a million bill is to be believed i am sure a house/apartment + cleaner & food etc would be the same, if not more than this anyway. I think its more that if he had long term ambitions he would have brought his family with him. They are living in London so not bringing them from abroad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) It just gives off a feeling of “well there’s no point in unpacking all my boxes as I don’t plan on seeing this out”. It just went hand in hand with the grumpy, my heart’s not in this kinda vibe he gave off for a lot of the time he was there. I know most jobs in football are temporary, but as far as I’m aware few live in hotels on a permanent basis. And the vast majority don’t have either Jose’s or Man Utd’s resources, so I don’t think money really came into it. Plus, as petty as it may sound, at the very least it was something else people could talk about and speculate on other than Man Utd’s poor performances/results. Sounds daft, but y’know, people actually did bring up the hotel thing from time to time. Edited December 27, 2018 by Shropshire Lad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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