BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: ... but yep I agree it will all come out .... except it probably wont as the kid will settle out of court on the condition nobody ever speaks about it ..which is probably the whole point of the lawsuit to start with .... I'd say if he's talking through his arse he'll get the square root of f**k all for compensation though. Actually now that I think about it, with the way judges protect police departments etc over there he'll probably get nothing irrespective of innocence. Yeah you're right. It'll probably never come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) 15 hours ago, maqroll said: I'm looking for the word "most" in my post, and I can't seem to find it.... Didn't say you did. I apologise if it came across that way. I was trying to diffuse your somewhat crude attempt at classifying male mental health issues, as you had obviously struck a nerve with JB. Carry on .... Edited November 25, 2015 by Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The blue dot on my Twitter page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Christmas work do's and making small talk with the partners of the the 1 or 2 colleagues who were not allowed to go out on their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 25 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Volley her in the jaw Why would anyone write that? I don't get that kind of 'humour'. I think most people do though. /discrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 On 24 November 2015 17:10:49, tonyh29 said: apparently you want to give him $15m .. I'd say next you'll be wearing a pink shirt to work * When you say it was established , Is this established or the wording in his frivolous lawsuit claim ? because on one hand I see that he was questioned by police for an hour and a half , handcuffed, and transported to a juvenile detention facility, fingerprinted and photographed and then released to his parents which differs vastly from the account you give above ... so , has it been established which version of events are true ? (* lets see who gets it) Crudely cashing in, can't exactly blame them, they are looking for an easy and life changing pay day, but yeah, I hope they lose, outrageous 'damages' being sought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Without intending to get too deep and certainly not throwing a pity party, just saying for a sense of balance. My Grandad, who was in fine health seemingly before-hand, lost his life to Mesothelioma just over a year ago, which was established to have been a result of contact to asbestos during employment; I think around £100k was payed out. This kids parents have purely got the pound, more aptly dollar, signs in their eyes to the tune of $15M just because he had his feelings hurt for a few hours? Not saying he shouldn't receive anything but this I find it completely and utterly ridiculous, and I hope it's thrown out just due to the audacity of the number. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 A guy on social media, posting photos of his new purchases. Well done, you've figured out how to: A) get a loan B ) lease a car C) get yourself into debt or D) stay at home with your parents and don't plan on moving out anytime soon First a photo of a car he's having delivered, and now a photo of a personalised number plate he's just bought. The screenshot of which, conveniently included the price tag of £799. He works in a Virgin Media store, so unless he's been bottling internet and selling it on the downlow, he's not as flash as he thinks he is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) That my head has done nothing, but expel snot, since about 7 o'clock last night. Edited November 26, 2015 by dAVe80 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismail-villa Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Without intending to get too deep and certainly not throwing a pity party, just saying for a sense of balance. My Grandad, who was in fine health seemingly before-hand, lost his life to Mesothelioma just over a year ago, which was established to have been a result of contact to asbestos during employment; I think around £100k was payed out. This kids parents have purely got the pound, more aptly dollar, signs in their eyes to the tune of $15M just because he had his feelings hurt for a few hours? Not saying he shouldn't receive anything but this I find it completely and utterly ridiculous, and I hope it's thrown out just due to the audacity of the number. Exactly this. Some compo sure (in the thousands?). But $15M?! No way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 It's American culture vs British culture though. It isn't in our culture to sue for millions. It's regular and commonplace over there. And let's be honest, he didn't just have his feelings hurt for a few hours did he? That's a pretty small simplification and de-escalation of what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) I think the school and police need to be investigated for their conduct, potentially fined, I don't think he should get compensation though. What economic harm did he come to? If anything he profited from it, he got a full scholarship on the back of it, received worldwide support, was invited to go and visit the **** president...He was treated terribly for an afternoon, then most right thinking people rallied around him, and he's so upset he deserves $15m? Seems reasonable. I think this is one thing British courts generally get right, you get compensated for actual financial harm, none of this paying people for "emotional harm" bullshit. Edited November 26, 2015 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: I think the school and police need to be investigated for their conduct, potentially find, I don't think he should get compensation though. What economic harm did he come to? If anything he profited from it, he got a full scholarship on the back of it, received worldwide support, was invited to go and visit the **** president...He was treated terribly for an afternoon, then most right thinking people rallied around him, and he's so upset he deserves $15m? Seems reasonable. I think this is one thing British courts generally get right, you get compensated for actual financial harm, none of this paying people for "emotional harm" bullshit. Forgetting the specifics of the case, this seems to be denying that 'emotional harm' is actually a real thing. Is that what you intended to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I intend to say that unless it has a material impact on someone's life, it's not something that should require compensation to be paid. Upset, scare, or discriminate someone? Well you might be punished, if it's a crime, but unless it's something that results in a degree of trauma that it leads to missing work, psychiatrist fees, etc, I don't see why any money should change hands, and even then it should be limited to the financial loss of the victim. I'm not a fan of punitive damages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 3 hours ago, ismail-villa said: Exactly this. Some compo sure (in the thousands?). But $15M?! No way. Yup. simply just a pay day for his family. The kid has met the president and has had a lot of opportunities opened up for him because of this incident, but a cool $15m will of course smooth things over even more, the family will never have to work again, and I'm sure clock boy will become a very benevolent 'thought leader' after cashing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 22 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I intend to say that unless it has a material impact on someone's life, it's not something that should require compensation to be paid. Upset, scare, or discriminate someone? Well you might be punished, if it's a crime, but unless it's something that results in a degree of trauma that it leads to missing work, psychiatrist fees, etc, I don't see why any money should change hands, and even then it should be limited to the financial loss of the victim. I'm not a fan of punitive damages. Thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 26, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2015 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: I think the school and police need to be investigated for their conduct, potentially find, I don't think he should get compensation though. What economic harm did he come to? If anything he profited from it, he got a full scholarship on the back of it, received worldwide support, was invited to go and visit the **** president...He was treated terribly for an afternoon, then most right thinking people rallied around him, and he's so upset he deserves $15m? Seems reasonable. I think this is one thing British courts generally get right, you get compensated for actual financial harm, none of this paying people for "emotional harm" bullshit. Forgetting the specifics of the case, this seems to be denying that 'emotional harm' is actually a real thing. Is that what you intended to say? It's a real thing, but by definition cannot be fixed by money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 26, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 26, 2015 56 minutes ago, mjmooney said: It's a real thing, but by definition cannot be fixed by money. But it can (with luck and time) by people who cost money - mental health experts and such like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Why are people getting so bent out of shape about the $15m. The kids family won't get anywhere near it. Sue for a really big number, annoy, irritate and harass public bodies and they'll guarantee a settlement for a small to moderate number. No fault or liability will be admitted. The family walk off with a couple of $m and the cops/school system get to forget it happened drama free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 1 hour ago, Eames said: Why are people getting so bent out of shape about the $15m. The kids family won't get anywhere near it. Sue for a really big number, annoy, irritate and harass public bodies and they'll guarantee a settlement for a small to moderate number. No fault or liability will be admitted. The family walk off with a couple of $m and the cops/school system get to forget it happened drama free. A couple of $M is just as obscene as $15M. Anything over a couple thousand dollars is, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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