Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 hours ago, Davkaus said: What a word removed. When I'm out with work/friends I just tag along with wherever the majority want to go, and figure something out with the waitress/chef if they don't have a set veggie menu. It must be quite an odd place you're going to though, I've not come across anywhere that hasn't been incredibly accommodating with food substitutions. Even TGI Fridays put me something together from different parts of the menu when nothing obvious jumped out. I guess with Christmas it might be a bit more problematic with set menus. Well that's kind of the point. I'm sure if we asked the place they'd accommodate her needs, especially in advance. But her attitude appears to be "there's nothing on the menu for me so we have to go somewhere else" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Well that's kind of the point. I'm sure if we asked the place they'd accommodate her needs, especially in advance. But her attitude appears to be "there's nothing on the menu for me so we have to go somewhere else" Volley her in the jaw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 25 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Volley her in the jaw Why would anyone write that? I don't get that kind of 'humour'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 /leemond 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 And the original post wasn't intended as humour, which was the funniest thing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) 10 hours ago, maqroll said: An increasingly automated and specialized economy has unsurprisingly pushed the undertrained, under skilled and undereducated to a point where they start to think they as men are redundant. I think basic despair as a direct correlation to their economic prospects is what drives so many of these suicides, not necessarily a diagnosed disorder. Men who are aged out at 50 or so, and are essentially told to **** off, there's no room for you anymore. WTF?! That's a gross generalisation that seems to write-off the experiences of the thousands of educated, skilled and trained men suffering from genuine mental health issues. Edited November 24, 2015 by JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 34 minutes ago, JB said: WTF?! That's a gross generalisation that seems to write-off the experiences of the thousands of educated, skilled and trained men suffering from genuine mental health issues. Indeed. Whilst I'm sure he didn't mean to do that, to seek to classify 'most' mental health issues as being suffered by ageing men people with poor education/training/life chances etc does really oversimplify mental health problems ion general. They may well be the most prone demographic, but there are a multitude of reasons for people/men to suffer mental health problems, not simply socio-economic ones. Just look at our own Stanley Victor Collymore for but 1 example. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 That kid who took a homemade clock to school and got arrested coz it looked like a bomb is suing the school for $15m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 And the world gets a little madder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 15 minutes ago, Jon said: Indeed. Whilst I'm sure he didn't mean to do that, to seek to classify 'most' mental health issues as being suffered by ageing men people with poor education/training/life chances etc does really oversimplify mental health problems ion general. They may well be the most prone demographic, but there are a multitude of reasons for people/men to suffer mental health problems, not simply socio-economic ones. Just look at our own Stanley Victor Collymore for but 1 example. Exactly. Suicide is the leading cause of death for men (and women) between the ages of 20 and 34 in England and Wales, regardless of socioeconomic status or background. Suggesting that there is always an explainable 'reason' for the issues that lead to men resorting to such drastic measures is plain wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Reference the debate on male mental illness and suicide. Might be a subject where research could help as much as anecdote and opinion. There are some very good documents easily available via google from both the Office of National Statistics and the Samaritans. ONS Samaritans Mental Health Org MHO free booklet download Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 Is suicide always automatically the result of an underlying 'mental illness' though? I don't think so. Surely circumstances can be bad enough that someone takes the drastic pragmatic approach that 'this'll fix everything'. No chemical imbalance required. No childhood trauma or ticking time bomb. Just a flashpoint in their life where the decision-making processes all come together with one solution. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 4 minutes ago, BOF said: Is suicide always automatically the result of an underlying 'mental illness' though? I don't think so. Surely circumstances can be bad enough that someone takes the drastic pragmatic approach that 'this'll fix everything'. No chemical imbalance required. No childhood trauma or ticking time bomb. Just a flashpoint in their life where the decision-making processes all come together with one solution. Indeed Bri. You don't HAVE to be 'mentally ill' to kill yourself (though it is often a contributory factor). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: That kid who took a homemade clock to school and got arrested coz it looked like a bomb is suing the school for $15m He thought he was going to have to do time for it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: That kid who took a homemade clock to school and got arrested coz it looked like a bomb is suing the school for $15m I honestly don't blame them. I'm guessing they are aiming high and hoping for a settlement at a more modest level. Good luck to the kid, it was disgusting treatment of him really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2015 Yeah, poor kid. A perfectly standard carriage clock design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BOF said: Yeah, poor kid. A perfectly standard carriage clock design. Honestly I don't know the full story, do you think he had other intentions than innocently making a clock? Was he hoping to shock or create a panic? Do you think he was treated fairly? Edited November 24, 2015 by AVFCDAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 11 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: Honestly I don't know the full story, do you think he had other intentions than innocently making a clock? Was he hoping to shock or create a panic? Do you think he was treated fairly? I think there was an overreaction. But look at the clock. That looks like a bomb, so I can understand why the issue arose. But regardless of that, my poin was really is it worth $15m?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think there was an overreaction. But look at the clock. That looks like a bomb, so I can understand why the issue arose. But regardless of that, my poin was really is it worth $15m?! Obviously not but surely the intention is to scare them with a big figure and settle for something much less? Again, you can hardly blame them for doing it, I'm sure I would in their shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm not blaming them. Doesn't mean it's right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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