blandy Posted December 30, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, bobzy said: So was/is Bruce though. The narrative of “Rafa had nothing, Steve has had loads” is simply incorrect. I wouldn’t say that Klopp has had next to nothing to spend, either. Klopp is able to shop in the big shop, neither Bruce nor Benitez (at Newcastle) were, though Bruce had money this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 A draw against the champions? That should shut a few people up. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, blandy said: Klopp is able to shop in the big shop, neither Bruce nor Benitez (at Newcastle) were, though Bruce had money this summer. 2017/18 (under Benitez) - Spent £41.85m 2018/19 (under Benitez) - Spent £53.78m 2019/20 (under Bruce) - Spent £65.61m 2020/21 (under Bruce) - Spent £34.88m £95.63m under Benitez, 100.49m under Bruce. But they do say it's the £4.86m extra spending power that makes all the difference in the Premier League! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, bobzy said: 2017/18 (under Benitez) - Spent £41.85m 2018/19 (under Benitez) - Spent £53.78m 2019/20 (under Bruce) - Spent £65.61m 2020/21 (under Bruce) - Spent £34.88m £95.63m under Benitez, 100.49m under Bruce. But they do say it's the £4.86m extra spending power that makes all the difference in the Premier League! Net spend tells a different story. ~38m for Rafa vs 83m for Bruce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: Net spend tells a different story. ~38m for Rafa vs 83m for Bruce. Isn't £40+ million of that on joelington? I'm not sure he was a Bruce's signing, wasnt he lined up when Benitez was in charge? Not defending bruce of the net spend mind I'm just thankful we lost that play off final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Net spend tells a different story. ~38m for Rafa vs 83m for Bruce. That simply isn't true according to transfermarkt. Edit: And also, net spend means jack shit. As I said earlier, Klopp has spent loads, not barely anything because of "net spend". Edited December 30, 2020 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I’m wondering about how small clubs force £40m players onto managers that don’t want them. It doesn’t sound right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Don't worry Callum Wilson, scoring a hat-trick vs Liverpool isn't for everyone Edited December 31, 2020 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimzk5 said: Isn't £40+ million of that on joelington? I'm not sure he was a Bruce's signing, wasnt he lined up when Benitez was in charge? Not defending bruce of the net spend mind I'm just thankful we lost that play off final. Yeah there's a lot more context than just looking at raw figures I guess. Net spend is 1 more level of context than just gross spend but yeah it goes a lot deeper than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jimzk5 said: Isn't £40+ million of that on joelington? I'm not sure he was a Bruce's signing, wasnt he lined up when Benitez was in charge? Not defending bruce of the net spend mind I'm just thankful we lost that play off final. I think thats why Rafa walked. I dont think Joe Linton was either a Bruce or Rafa signing. Rafa walked because of him and Bruce is not going to complain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: That simply isn't true according to transfermarkt. Edit: And also, net spend means jack shit. As I said earlier, Klopp has spent loads, not barely anything because of "net spend". I was looking at transfermarkt. Subtract outgoings from incomings for each seasons. I could have been wrong though. I think net spend tells more than just gross spend in most cases. For example, in 2011 we spent about 25m which on the face of it was a decent outlay for a team that just finished 9th, but we sold almost 50m worth of talent the same window. -25m net spend probably painted a picture closer to reality because we actually got weaker that season as we didn't properly replace Young and Downing. But it depends on the situation I guess because like you say, Klopp's net spend is relatively low but that's inflated by the fee they received for Coutinho which was extortionate. I think Newcastle fans will know better than us on the situation with Rafa. When you listen to him you would think he was restricted by Ashley but I wouldn't put it past him embellishing the situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, villa89 said: A draw against the champions? That should shut a few people up. Gabby Logan memed the **** out of him in the post match interview: "Will that performance shut a few people up, Steve?" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Shut a few people up that. Quell the mass hysteria. The mad lot will hopefully be pacified. The circus will hopefully be calmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 A point against Liverpool is more impressive than a point against Chelsea. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted December 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, TreeVillan said: A point against Liverpool is more impressive than a point against Chelsea. Just saying. Luckily we also beat Liverpool 7-2 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rodders0223 Posted December 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) What more do Newcastle fans want? Champions league football. They need to realise it's not 1996 or 2003 anymore and accept Bruce is doing absolute wonders. Edited December 31, 2020 by rodders0223 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) ...sorry...sorry I meant Brucie is doing wonders, or Stevie. Good old Stevie. So formal of me to talk about a good friend like that. Brucie is doing wonders. Edited December 31, 2020 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: What more do Newcastle fans want? Champions league football. They need to realise it's not 1996 or 2003 anymore and accept Bruce is doing absolute wonders. They rank 1st in clearances thou with a whopping 380, almost 40 more than 19th placed Sheffield U. (fwiw we have 254) 2nd in blocks and joint 2nd in saves so it's not all bad Edited December 31, 2020 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted December 31, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 31, 2020 He’s become a parody of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Good stats, but they aren’t actually worst in the league for shots/game. They’ve played a game less than some of the other teams so have naturally had fewer shots. (That said, they’re 18th for shots/game and 17th for SOT/game, so not a massive improvement ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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