VillaJ100 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 That Bolton game basically killed our chances of auto promotion and in hindsight probably saved the club 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That run of games infuriated me. We had a good chance to get back into the top 2. Then we go and lose at home to QPR and then to Bolton away, barely laying a glove on either. We lose even more ground on Cardiff and to make matters worse, Fulham then pass us into 3rd. I was at the QPR game and we just didn't turn up as an attacking force. Eze and their left back at the time (I forget his name) ripped us apart. They had carte blanche to come forward as we just sat so deep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: That Bolton game basically killed our chances of auto promotion and in hindsight probably saved the club I was at that game, it was absolutely grim. The only positive thing that day was the fans. We had the whole stand behind the goal (not that we bothered it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 We were all so buoyed too as it was three days after the Wolves 4-1 and we thought we were going to go marching into the top 2 In hindsight though I’m glad we didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Im embarrassed he was ever our manager tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Im embarrassed he was ever our manager tbh Me to pal. People might shoot me down for this because the game is about results, but: I left VP quite a few times after a win under Bruce and still felt down. Conversely I've left VP with a smile on my face after a loss under Smith. Of course it's all about results but part of being a fan Is living for those unforgettable games. The 1-2 against Rotherham when down to 10 men, the 3-3 draw against Sheff UTD, there are loads under Smith. People slam Jose's critics because "he wins stuff, what more do you want" well I want to feel the rush of watching the ball hit the back of net and then seeing my team continue attacking in order to try to score more, because it's the best feeling in the world. Call it mass hysteria if you like, but I'd take that every day of the week over the guttless rubbish served up by the likes of Bruce. Edited December 28, 2020 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2020 Warnock on SSN just now - “Bruce is trying to build things slowly” He then followed up with the usual nonsense about the fans being unrealistic and wanting Keegan style football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 12 hours ago, Keyblade said: That looks like sound judgement to me. And, that's my point. Bruce took over a team that was not as good as the one Benitez ended the season with, yet still managed middle table safety all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 They have really been outperforming their xG since Bruce arrived. It was never gonna be sustainable in the long run. Sooner or later their luck will run out and it seems they are in a bad place right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, momo said: And, that's my point. Bruce took over a team that was not as good as the one Benitez ended the season with, yet still managed middle table safety all season. He spent £100m net to make it better than it ever was. Benitez would have killed to have their current attacking options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, momo said: And, that's my point. Bruce took over a team that was not as good as the one Benitez ended the season with, yet still managed middle table safety all season. You sound like his mates in the media They're safely mid table, they get enough points on the board to be ok why can't everyone just be happy? Because the football is absolutely **** terrible... This "results based business" is nonsense, its not, especially when you're not actually competing for anything, Rafa finished 13th, Bruce finished 13th too but with more points, both of them mean nothing so you judge the quality of the football and you cannot possibly argue that Rafa played worse football than Bruce because he simply didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 12 hours ago, Jonesy7211 said: How do people not see it, or is it only the fans of the clubs he manages that do? I think it’s a combination of the fact his teams are so boring neutrals try and avoid and just don’t really pay him too much notice and that the clubs he’s managing are in a period of decline so people just see the same continuing. Also for most people their predominate memories of him, including me before he came to us, are him managing complete relegation fodder (Hull, Wigan, Sunderland) and arguably getting them to punch above their weight. It’s when he’s gone to clubs which aren’t the underdog every game, and in our case one of the best teams in the division, and he’s still trying to shithouse his way through every game it’s become clear just how much of a dinosaur he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, villa4europe said: You sound like his mates in the media They're safely mid table, they get enough points on the board to be ok why can't everyone just be happy? Because the football is absolutely **** terrible... This "results based business" is nonsense, its not, especially when you're not actually competing for anything, Rafa finished 13th, Bruce finished 13th too but with more points, both of them mean nothing so you judge the quality of the football and you cannot possibly argue that Rafa played worse football than Bruce because he simply didn't But he is tactically better than Rafa apparently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: But he is tactically better than Rafa apparently.... I honestly don't see how, even the man himself has said on a few occasions that he doesn't really do tactics And then there's still the point that his tactic is shit to watch, would you rather finish 17th with rafa or 13th with Bruce? The noise from the geordies is that they'd rather be 17th with rafa and I'd be the same, look at the baggies fans moaning about fat Sam (albeit they won't be for long) they don't want that football no matter how good it is tactically, no one wants to watch it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenfly Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: You sound like his mates in the media They're safely mid table, they get enough points on the board to be ok why can't everyone just be happy? Because the football is absolutely **** terrible... This "results based business" is nonsense, its not, especially when you're not actually competing for anything, Rafa finished 13th, Bruce finished 13th too but with more points, both of them mean nothing so you judge the quality of the football and you cannot possibly argue that Rafa played worse football than Bruce because he simply didn't Dean Smith said it best. I recall him pointing out that football is entertainment, and that's what the fans really want to see. Pragmatism will keep you in the league you're in, but it won't win you any more fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, momo said: And, that's my point. Bruce took over a team that was not as good as the one Benitez ended the season with, yet still managed middle table safety all season. Rafa Benitez spent 89 million as Newcastle manager in the Premier League and build a system Steve Bruce has spent 90 million more to that team and hasnt improved them including less goals, more conceded and similar points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 16 hours ago, Jonesy7211 said: I was at the QPR game and we just didn't turn up as an attacking force. Eze and their left back at the time (I forget his name) ripped us apart. They had carte blanche to come forward as we just sat so deep. We played the exact same team that beat Wolves earlier. Most managers with the squad we had would have rotated and ripped it up but Steve Bruce being Steve Bruce just phoned it in and went "same again lads" then said in his post match along the lines of i should have freshened it up. Well yes we have a 35 year old JT at CB ffs El Fraudiola. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: El Fraudiola. Love it. Since commenting last night I've been on the Sunderland and Newcastle forums. They all say the same things we do. It's not that he's defensive, it's that he's so negative and inept, and will never offer any reasonable excuse for his sides shortcomings other than remove himself from any blame. I stop short of feeling sorry for the Newcastle fans, but it must be awful knowing he'll never get the sack as long as he's keeping them in the league. Edited December 28, 2020 by Jonesy7211 Sentence structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: Love it. Since commenting last night I've been on the forums Sunderland and Newcastle. They all say the same things we do. It's not that he's defensive, it's that he's so negative and inept, and will never offer any reasonable excuse for his sides shortcomings other than remove himself from any blame. I stop short of feeling sorry for the Newcastle fans, but it must be awful knowing he'll never get the sack as long as he's keeping them in the league. It took nearly two years to untrain the Bruce tactics from our squad. Sit deep, hold your position, push the ball to the target man, all get forward in lines. Jurassic **** park. Edited December 28, 2020 by avfcDJ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: It took nearly two years to untrain the Bruce tactics from our squad. Sit deep, hold your position, push the ball to the target man, all get forward in lines. Jurassic **** park. You forgot the main tactic of “give it to Jack!!”. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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