Tomaszk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: No. That's absurd. No it isn't. He's done what he did for some here and taken their team off them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: No it isn't. He's done what he did for some here and taken their team off them. I dont understand the second sentence. In regards to the first, you think fans would genuinely want to be relegated in the hope Mike Ashley might sack Steve Bruce? Edited January 3, 2021 by Don_Simon I put in bold the "Mike Ashley" bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: I dont understand the second sentence. In regards to the first, you think fans would genuinely want to be relegated in the hope Mike Ashley might sack Steve Bruce? yes I think so, problem is I dont think he would sack Bruce. But he has ruined football for a large portion of Newcastle fans, look some people might think they are spoiled and entitled but surely they just want to be entertained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I've seen some Newcastle fans hoping for relegation in the hope that it means the departure of Ashley as well as Bruce, they dislike Ashley that much that some of them want him to fail even if means their club also fails as a consequence, I guess they feel it would be for the longer term benefit if it meant him selling. Even saw a few of their fans calling the Liverpool game 'a must not win' game. Edited January 3, 2021 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Zatman said: yes I think so, problem is I dont think he would sack Bruce. But he has ruined football for a large portion of Newcastle fans, look some people might think they are spoiled and entitled but surely they just want to be entertained As a Villa fan, would you rather be entertained in the Championship or tread water in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The Ashley/Bruce situation reminds me of the Lerner/Lambert era. Both have destroyed the enjoyment of football for their respective fanbases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: I dont understand the second sentence. In regards to the first, you think fans would genuinely want to be relegated in the hope Mike Ashley might sack Steve Bruce? Ah well. Yes getting rid of Ashely is #1. But he owns the club. You can't get rid of him. So getting rid of Bruce would be a close #2. By any means necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: As a Villa fan, would you rather be entertained in the Championship or tread water in the Premier League? I'd rather watch us try to play football in League Two than ever have Steve Bruce back. That wasn't football. Plus he was telling everyone how good it was and his journalist mates were parroting it. word removed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: I'd rather watch us try to play football in League Two than ever have Steve Bruce back. That wasn't football. Plus he was telling everyone how good it was and his journalist mates were parroting it. word removed. Disagree with sentence one. Wholeheartedly agree in sentence two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: I think 30 points will be enough this season It won't be. It will be 35/36/37 same as normal. Edited January 3, 2021 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: I dont understand the second sentence. In regards to the first, you think fans would genuinely want to be relegated in the hope Mike Ashley might sack Steve Bruce? I'd have taken relegation with Smith over Sam Allardyce I think there's a growing contingent of fans who aren't happy merely being in the PL, the romance of it has gone thanks to this big 6 bollocks, VAR, the absurd money and the corruption conspiracy theories So the actual quality of football that you play has a huge significance on your enjoyment of football not the league you're in Bruce, Allardyce, Pulis etc nobody wants them anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: As a Villa fan, would you rather be entertained in the Championship or tread water in the Premier League? well we just had that situation and yes, it was much more fun being a contender in the Championship than watching us sleep walk to an eventual relegation. All them goalless games under Lambert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, Xela said: The Ashley/Bruce situation reminds me of the Lerner/Lambert era. Both have destroyed the enjoyment of football for their respective fanbases. Yep. I'd have taken relegation to have removed Lerner at one point. And in hindsight it worked. Relegation, allowed us to rebuild, gave us some entertaining times and put us in position to succeed now. I know we've been fortunate and it doesn't always work at that way. But had Lerner stayed I doubt I'd be paying any attention to villa at the moment. Him and Lambert nearly killed me off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2021 No matter how bad an owner or manager I think wishing for relegation to remove them is a hugely flawed logic particularly in the current climate. Yes we got rid of Lerner but he was desperate to get out, our relegation was the result of his attempt to do so we didn’t get rid because of it. Or at least not directly. We also ended up with Xia and Bruce so definitely a case of careful what you wish for, between them we almost went to the wall. Im sure Sunderland fans probably thought relegation might sort them out and they would be better off in order to get rid of Ellis Short. I even saw Blues fans saying they want to get rid of their owners so would accept relegation seemingly unaware of the dire consequences that would have for them in their current state. Relegation is always damaging and dangerous, it’s hard to deal with at any time and hard to bounce back. It’s even worse at the moment with COVID, no fans, reduced revenue and all the other associate issues. Ashley just wants to stay in the PL which is why he appointed Bruce and he will probably do it this season but in the medium to long term he will do more harm than good and things will turn toxic with the fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Mike Ashley stuck around both previous times they were relegated. He didn’t sanction a fire sale either, he retained most of the squad and they bounced back at the first time of asking both times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Mike Ashley stuck around both previous times they were relegated. He didn’t sanction a fire sale either, he retained most of the squad and they bounced back at the first time of asking both times. That is true, which was the sensible business decision to protect his investment. I think it’s what most owners would do if they were financially able and were committed to ownership. Im not though sure this would apply a third time. I think the financial landscape is very different, Ashley clearly is eager to exit in a way he wasn’t at that time and I think it’s less certain that he would be willing or able to make the same financial decisions as he did previously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Ah well. Yes getting rid of Ashely is #1. But he owns the club. You can't get rid of him. So getting rid of Bruce would be a close #2. By any means necessary. A cabbage normally does it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: A cabbage normally does it. I think they'll be more than one showing up at St James' Park when fans get back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: No matter how bad an owner or manager I think wishing for relegation to remove them is a hugely flawed logic particularly in the current climate. Yes we got rid of Lerner but he was desperate to get out, our relegation was the result of his attempt to do so we didn’t get rid because of it. Or at least not directly. We also ended up with Xia and Bruce so definitely a case of careful what you wish for, between them we almost went to the wall. Im sure Sunderland fans probably thought relegation might sort them out and they would be better off in order to get rid of Ellis Short. I even saw Blues fans saying they want to get rid of their owners so would accept relegation seemingly unaware of the dire consequences that would have for them in their current state. Relegation is always damaging and dangerous, it’s hard to deal with at any time and hard to bounce back. It’s even worse at the moment with COVID, no fans, reduced revenue and all the other associate issues. Ashley just wants to stay in the PL which is why he appointed Bruce and he will probably do it this season but in the medium to long term he will do more harm than good and things will turn toxic with the fans. Yes, I was just thinking it would be hilarious if Ashley sold them to a Xia type chancer. I also remember Sulivan making some veiled comment about giving the Blues fans what they wanted when he sold up to crooks as well. It's a real toss of a coin when you change owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Yes, I was just thinking it would be hilarious if Ashley sold them to a Xia type chancer. I also remember Sulivan making some veiled comment about giving the Blues fans what they wanted when he sold up to crooks as well. It's a real toss of a coin when you change owners. I’ve always thought there was some malice in that sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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