Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2020 "Massively underachieved" is such an exaggeration He should have done better in the Champions league. That's about the only thing you can throw at him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I swear the Guardiola argument is one of those that will go on forever on here, those who hate Barcelona will never give up and they will always get the same people biting (me included btw). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Zlatan didn't flop on the pitch at Barca but I guess the club could have foreseen that Messi and him would not click as they both have massive egos. Pep obviously choose to bend to Messi's will, and rightly so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 01/10/2020 at 01:16, Stevo985 said: Yeah, it's a ludicrous argument. He's very very good at managing very big teams. He doesn't need to drop down to a lesser team to prove himself. Actually he does. I must be easier managing a top team with loads of $$$ than managing a team like Stoke or Carlisle.In other words do you think Pep is good enough to take Huddersfield up to the Premier League or Sheffield United up to the Premier League ? I dont. Look at really great managers.Fergie won the Scottish title with Aberdend.J.Mercer and Bill Shankley both managed lower division teams before managing Liverpool.Look at Z.Zidan.His very first management job is Real Madrid.He is starting at the top,just like Pep.He wont manage teams like Sheffield,Wolves or Bournemouth but the TOP teams that he manages will do well because there are not too many managers that would manage a top team and get them relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: Actually he does. I must be easier managing a top team with loads of $$$ than managing a team like Stoke or Carlisle.In other words do you think Pep is good enough to take Huddersfield up to the Premier League or Sheffield United up to the Premier League ? I dont. Yes. He absolutely is But it's an argument that will always get thrown at him because he will never have to drop down to clubs at that level. He has shown he is an excellent manager for big clubs so he'll continue to get jobs at big clubs. If he left Man City he could get a job at pretty much any club in the world if the opportunity is there. Would managers like Pulis and Wagner have had the success Pep has had if they'd managed Barcelona, Bayenr and Man City instead? I highly doubt it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 23 hours ago, Zatman said: At Bayern which had the most successful signings he never really had a major say in transfer policy either compared to his 2 other clubs Barcelona Hits: Pique, ALves, Keita, Mascherano, Sanchez Flops: Henrique, Hleb, Caceres, Zlatan, Chygrynsky, Kerrison, Afellay,Fabregas (considering they tapped him up for 5 years) Average: Pinto, Maxwell, Adriano, VIlla, Bayern: Hits: Thiago, Kimmich, Coman, Vidal, Costa, Lewandowski Flops: Gotze, Kirchoff, Rode, Benatia Average: Reina, Bernat City Hits: Sane, Zinchenko, Bernardo, Walker, Laporte Flops: Bravo, Stones, Nolito, Moreno, Danilo, Mendy, Cancelo, Angelino Average: Gundogan, Jesus, Ederson, Mahrez, Rodri, Steffen Wish we had someone as average as Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 It's a difficult case to argue methinks, cause the football Guardiola wants to play and have had success with, really isn't doable down the divisions. My local team changed accordingly after being promoted to the top division cause at that point was the first time they could get good enough players for the football they wanted to play. I think Guardiola would struggle in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Not a single team in the Championship that wouldn't improve massively with Pep as manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, sne said: Not a single team in the Championship that wouldn't improve massively with Pep as manager. Not a single team in the premier League with the exception of Liverpool that he wouldn't improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 This has come round again... FWIW I think his personality would give any championship team a huge lift, his tactics might not work completely but then Leeds and Bielsa suggest that it might On the other hand there is a misconception that anyone can manage man City or PSG but PSG in particular keep showing that it's not actually that easy, star player internationals costing £50m+ on £200k a week stuck on the bench? Or not playing the way they want or put of position or being forced to track back etc? You need to be of a certain stature for that and pep obviously is, not sure there's a player in the world who wouldn't sit and listen when he talks, the likes of Jose can't boast that anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I think Guardiola would struggle in the championship. Just nonsense. Sorry. But like I said we’ll never find out so it’ll always get thrown at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted October 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Mic09 said: Not a single team in the premier League with the exception of Liverpool that he wouldn't improve. Surely he couldn't improve Leeds more than the mighty Bielsa already has done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 If Citeh could sink a couple of more of their gifted chances I think this game could become a real heavy hitter for Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 3, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 02/10/2020 at 15:23, villa4europe said: So does pep... He rebuilt barca to be arguably the greatest club side ever seen I’d agree with the arguably part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 They are missing Silva and prime Fernandinho massively. The amount of control they imposed was so important. Rodri is probably a little better on the ball but nowhere Fernandinho’s level off it. Foden undoubtedly talented but still very raw and he doesn’t have the ability to dictate the tempo like Silva did, more of a goal-scoring midfielder then the string-puller they need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Whatever happened since 2019 to their fitness levels? Edited October 3, 2020 by Kuwabatake Sanjuro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted October 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Wrong Thread Edited October 3, 2020 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Man City dropping points is good news for us in our title ambitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: Whatever happened since 2019 to their fitness levels? No more steroids possibly. Liverpool next possibly. I post this in good faith. Edited October 3, 2020 by Sulberto21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 hours ago, PaulC said: Wish we had someone as average as Jesus sorry what? are we in the same conversation but Jesus is an absolute average centre forward. Benteke did more at Villa with a lot less Jesus 42 in 104 or Benteke 42 in 90 playing for a shitter team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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