romavillan Posted July 22, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think he's missed the boat, can't see him ever being s midfield regular for us. I remember much the same being said about Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I thought he looked decent last night. Hopeful he gets his chance this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 he took a while to get in to the game but once he did he was good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I dont see it I dont think he's good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaninireland Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I didnt see anything last night TBH, thought he was pretty anonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shomin Geki Posted July 22, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sorry to bring up this old shibboleth, but another facet of this Villa era of diminished expectations and a 'losing mentality' is this hoarding impulse. Maybe Gardener will come good? Hey Tonev wasn't all that bad right? We all saw Bennett do that shimmy and neat dribble thing; surely that's more indicative of his ability than the 99% of the time he looks like a confused rat in a hallucinogenic medical trial? Gardner is a mystery to me. I am far from an expert but he always seems the epitome of average. And as we know, 'distinctly average' means not good enough. One of those players that's a bag full of 'not quites': Not quite quick enough, not quite strong enough, not quite fit enough, not quite commanidng enough... I could go on. Perhaps it is time to divest of the 'young and hungry' myth all together and acknowledge, like all sensible parents, that our kids aren't anything special. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 He didn't look good at all last night. Only pre-season mind, but needs to show a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted July 22, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2015 Shibboleth? Shibboleth! Bloomin' 'eck, it's far from shibboleths I were brung up. But yes, I do think there comes a point where the kids need to start delivering properly or be dismissed as being a part of the problem. I think this is the season where Gardner will have to prove himself otherwise he'll become a parody of his own Villa career, a bit like Lee Hendrie the eternally promising youngster, without (ironically) ever hitting anything like the heights that Lee reached. The reason Gary has been given such an absurdly large amount of time to prove himself by the Villa faithful is because he has never failed per se, more that he has never been fit. So he may have to be discarded simply because he is a sick note that is held together by nothing more than spit and bogies. As for disposing of the young and hungry myth. No, I think that phenomenon does exist and each youngster must be judged on his own merits. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Looks quite 'bulky' to me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 He was fantastic for Forest last season. It's preseason. Foolish to write him off at this stage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sorry to bring up this old shibboleth, but another facet of this Villa era of diminished expectations and a 'losing mentality' is this hoarding impulse. Maybe Gardener will come good? Hey Tonev wasn't all that bad right? We all saw Bennett do that shimmy and neat dribble thing; surely that's more indicative of his ability than the 99% of the time he looks like a confused rat in a hallucinogenic medical trial? Gardner is a mystery to me. I am far from an expert but he always seems the epitome of average. And as we know, 'distinctly average' means not good enough. One of those players that's a bag full of 'not quites': Not quite quick enough, not quite strong enough, not quite fit enough, not quite commanidng enough... I could go on. Perhaps it is time to divest of the 'young and hungry' myth all together and acknowledge, like all sensible parents, that our kids aren't anything special. Well you’ll be glad to know that us genius scouts on VillaTalk said the same about Benteke, Clark, Delph, Cleverly, Downing, Bacuna, Hutton, Sanchez etc. I am not criticising us Villa fans for this, I’m just pointing out that you shouldn’t judge a player without them receiving a decent run of games in our first team. I do think Gardner has a chance of making if given game time. Ryan Mason was wrote off by Spurs fans a year ago and now has an England cap, he’s a year older than Gary so you’d never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shomin Geki Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Well you’ll be glad to know that us genius scouts on VillaTalk said the same about Benteke, Clark, Delph, Cleverly, Downing, Bacuna, Hutton, Sanchez etc. I am not criticising us Villa fans for this, I’m just pointing out that you shouldn’t judge a player without them receiving a decent run of games in our first team. I do think Gardner has a chance of making if given game time. Ryan Mason was wrote off by Spurs fans a year ago and now has an England cap, he’s a year older than Gary so you’d never know. Very valid sir. Just thinking out loud. Saying what I see. And incidentally I AM criticising the Villa fans who blow furiously hot and cold at our players. Because they're the worst... #Gilforpresident2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sorry to bring up this old shibboleth, but another facet of this Villa era of diminished expectations and a 'losing mentality' is this hoarding impulse. Maybe Gardener will come good? Hey Tonev wasn't all that bad right? We all saw Bennett do that shimmy and neat dribble thing; surely that's more indicative of his ability than the 99% of the time he looks like a confused rat in a hallucinogenic medical trial? Gardner is a mystery to me. I am far from an expert but he always seems the epitome of average. And as we know, 'distinctly average' means not good enough. One of those players that's a bag full of 'not quites': Not quite quick enough, not quite strong enough, not quite fit enough, not quite commanidng enough... I could go on. Perhaps it is time to divest of the 'young and hungry' myth all together and acknowledge, like all sensible parents, that our kids aren't anything special. Well you’ll be glad to know that us genius scouts on VillaTalk said the same about Benteke, Clark, Delph, Cleverly, Downing, Bacuna, Hutton, Sanchez etc. I am not criticising us Villa fans for this, I’m just pointing out that you shouldn’t judge a player without them receiving a decent run of games in our first team. I do think Gardner has a chance of making if given game time. Ryan Mason was wrote off by Spurs fans a year ago and now has an England cap, he’s a year older than Gary so you’d never know. Ryan Mason is shit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 How about letting have a run of games to see if he can step up? He grew into the game last night and had some decent touches he even hit the post from 25 yards. He's lost 2 years through injury and that'll have held him back massively. He's got the attributes to be a good player now he just needs a bit of luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shomin Geki Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 How about letting have a run of games to see if he can step up? He grew into the game last night and had some decent touches he even hit the post from 25 yards. He's lost 2 years through injury and that'll have held him back massively. He's got the attributes to be a good player now he just needs a bit of luck. Absolutely. He's here for at least one more year, let's see what he's made of. I'm just afraid that the answer will probably be: Bit of Jack Rodwell, bit of Cleverly, not enough meat or ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry to bring up this old shibboleth, but another facet of this Villa era of diminished expectations and a 'losing mentality' is this hoarding impulse. Maybe Gardener will come good? Hey Tonev wasn't all that bad right? We all saw Bennett do that shimmy and neat dribble thing; surely that's more indicative of his ability than the 99% of the time he looks like a confused rat in a hallucinogenic medical trial? Gardner is a mystery to me. I am far from an expert but he always seems the epitome of average. And as we know, 'distinctly average' means not good enough. One of those players that's a bag full of 'not quites': Not quite quick enough, not quite strong enough, not quite fit enough, not quite commanidng enough... I could go on. Perhaps it is time to divest of the 'young and hungry' myth all together and acknowledge, like all sensible parents, that our kids aren't anything special. Well you’ll be glad to know that us genius scouts on VillaTalk said the same about Benteke, Clark, Delph, Cleverly, Downing, Bacuna, Hutton, Sanchez etc. I am not criticising us Villa fans for this, I’m just pointing out that you shouldn’t judge a player without them receiving a decent run of games in our first team. I do think Gardner has a chance of making if given game time. Ryan Mason was wrote off by Spurs fans a year ago and now has an England cap, he’s a year older than Gary so you’d never know. Indeed. The first few pages of the Benteke thread are pure hilarity. Drop him for weimann! Loved Richards post, he'll probably be known as Benchteke. Would love Gary to come good. Hopefully it's this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 He'll be the next in line who played a bit part for us and went on to move to settle into a first team place elsewhere I reckon. Whittingham (Cardiff), Davis (Southampton, yes I know he went to Fulham first then Rangers but this is where he has settled), Albrighton (Leicester), Myhill (Hull), Gary Cahill (Bolton/Chelsea).. Gardner ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 In the Sun is that he's done his ankle ligaments and is likely to be out for a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 In the Sun is that he's done his ankle ligaments and is likely to be out for a month. That's his problem, he is made of glass. Quite how he managed to get a new contract I will never know, he is injuered more often than Darren Anderton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I just think he's destined not to make it for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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