DCJonah Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Didn't Carragher say it was Guzan's fault? Just to point out that a pundit has looked at it and blames Guzan for it, so this no blame lies with Guzan is nonsense. It seems a few have said it. Which also points out how stupid it is to suggest its some sort of vendetta against Guzan from people on VT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Ian Taylor blamed Guzan on Tom Ross show last night as well - he said Amavi shouldn't have tried to do what he did but he said Guzan with all his experience should have known better 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Carragher saying it doesn't make it true, pundits opinions aren't any more valid than anyone else's you know? We were all complaining earlier when all our season previews all the pundits predicted we'd struggle as we hadn't signed anyone and sold our best players despite us signing loads of very promising players. Pundits aren't always right, hell they aren't even often right I do wonder how much blame would be given to Guzan and what the general reaction on here would be had it been Gabby that he'd rolled the ball to, who has subsequently lost it and we conceded a goal. I largely suspect that Guzan would be given approximately 0% blame for the goal, and Gabby would receive approximately 0% of the leeway Amavi is getting, just my thoughts Exactly right. I made the point earlier. If he'd given that ball to Hutton, or Joe Bennett, or Cissokho then it wouldn't even be mentioned. I'd also say that if Bunn had done it it wouldn't have been mentioned either. Genuine question, has anyone seen any pundit, commentator or reporter even mention Guzan when talking about this goal? Now Carragher and Ian Taylor have mentioned, yes the witch hunt against Guzan continues. So this is the point really, this notion that Guzan can take absolutely no blame is not right IMO, when two pundits as well as fans have stated he had a part to play in the conceded goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 25, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Fair enough on the pundits saying it. I still completely disagree with them, and I've already said numerous times that "witch hunt" wasn't the right term to use. Edited August 25, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Only just brought myself to watch the highlights. I don't think it was that bad a throw to Amavi. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is Dann's awareness and quick thinking to close Amavi down, Amavi should have turned outside rather than inside, that way if he gets tackled it's in a less threatening position. Considering we are trying to play more of a passing game, and clearly thinking about maybe scoring a late winner rather than the alternative where Guzan holds on to the ball for 20 seconds then kicks it long, Guzan gets far less of the blame than Amavi for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Watching it again, I think Guzan had other and better options further advanced. Mistakes happen, that's life. They were both at fault, but Guzan should have taken more time to weigh up his options. My problem with him is that, to me personally, he looks unsure, hurried and lacking confidence. And that is not just confined to his distribution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted August 25, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2015 I can't believe Guzan left that window unlocked. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I can't believe Guzan left that window unlocked. Really poor decision making from Guzan there. With his experience he should know that jumping out the window is a risky move, especially with a perfectly working door opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 He can sleep easy tonight anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2015 I just don't see rolling the ball to your fullback when he has enough time to take a touch AND wanted the ball in the first place as a risk. This whole 'Amavi wanted it' bit is also irrelevant to the question of whether it was the right or wrong option. Absolutely. Brad Guzan is the senior player there and he is in control of the ball, he needs to be making the right decision given the context of the game and the options available. Being at the game you could see that Brad, with ball in hand, was struggling for options. For once he should have hoofed it 35 yards and out of play, instead he passed that responsibility on to Amavi and you could see Scott Dann's eyes light up from 60 yards away. Dreadful game management given the circumstances. Really poor. Amavi should have done much better, but to absolve Guzan of any blame is in itself ridiculous. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Would like to see a replay but that wall looked abysmal from my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Would like to see a replay but that wall looked abysmal from my view. Yep - awful positioning of the wall. Would happily see Guzan replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I've defended him until now but I personally thought he was to blame for the first and maybe questionable on the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I've defended him until now but I personally thought he was to blame for the first and maybe questionable on the second. Nothing he could do for the second, shit from Clark and it took a deflection off richards. From what I saw he's 100% to blame for the first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Surely all keepers should just stand in the middle of the goal for free kicks, it's always risky leaving such a wide gap and hoping the wall will just block it. It was a great strike and he couldn't get across in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I've defended him until now but I personally thought he was to blame for the first and maybe questionable on the second. Not sure about the second goal but the set up off his wall and positioning for the first goal was dreadful. Gave himself far too much ground to cover. I personally think he's a bit headshot at the moment and has been for a long time- maybe man city. He just seems to panic continually when the ball is played back to him and puts the full backs under pressure.. Think a replacement will deffo be on the cards soon unless he gets his shit together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Will have to see it again but my initial reaction was that he was way too far over on the other side. The ball didn't go in the corner, I think his positioning was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 "I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Didn't even enter my mind to blame him tbh, it was a brilliant freekick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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