Hoof hearted Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Myself and @AvfcRigo82 say he's going nowhere, enough said chaps. *He's really not going anywhere boys and girls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 If he wants to go and we get at least 30 million for him and the whole amount is invested in new players. Then I don’t think it will be the end of the world as long as it is spent wisely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvfcRigo82 Posted August 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: If he wants to go and we get at least 30 million for him and the whole amount is invested in new players. Then I don’t think it will be the end of the world as long as it is spent wisely. I would agree to that if we had someone like Rafa Benithez as manager.. Steve Bruce - I wouldn't give him monopoly money! No Deal. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: And is now as short as 6/4 to stay.. Someones had a few quid on by the looks of it. I put £50 on him staying this morning when someone here posted the (imo) generous price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I think us fans sometimes put too much emphasis on individual players. It's a team game and 1 player isn't going to make the difference between promotion and not. Grealish contributed 3 goals last season and didn't assist many more. If we got 30m for him we can clear the shackles of FFP and maybe buy a couple of young stars who will turn us a profit in the future. This is probably more use to us going forward than hanging onto Grealish. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platt Ain’t Fat Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 What I don’t get is that our FFP deficit is c. £40m can we not just do what M. City did with the Etihad. That deal was £400m over 10 years, I think about 10 years ago. Therefore it wouldn’t be stretching it to say it represented fair market value for VP. Then FFP is gone for good and Jack stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I would agree to that if we had someone like Rafa Benithez as manager.. Steve Bruce - I wouldn't give him monopoly money! No Deal. We have Medes sorting as out a Nevez and Jota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: I think us fans sometimes put too much emphasis on individual players. It's a team game and 1 player isn't going to make the difference between promotion and not. Grealish contributed 3 goals last season and didn't assist many more. If we got 30m for him we can clear the shackles of FFP and maybe buy a couple of young stars who will turn us a profit in the future. This is probably more use to us going forward than hanging onto Grealish. Exactly. Name me the stand out player that got Cardiff promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: If he wants to go and we get at least 30 million for him and the whole amount is invested in new players. Then I don’t think it will be the end of the world as long as it is spent wisely. Actually having the money upthere (if we had the chance to go up) could be spent a lot better. Players needed in the championship are different and a lower level. Thats why our policy should be only loans or buying some promising players to build a team. We could still sell him next summer with better value, and have much time to re-invest the money. We would also have a good view of the kind of players we need depend on the division. For example we could have easily bid for Yarry Mina if we were upthere. Buying average premier league players in this level is a gamble, loaning them is a bargain. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I don't think he'll go. The chance to move will always be there, the chance to bring his club back to the big time will not (if he leaves). Some things are worth more than money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Count me in the "he's not going" camp. Largely because, well... he's not going. Edited August 3, 2018 by Mazrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, Platt Ain’t Fat said: What I don’t get is that our FFP deficit is c. £40m can we not just do what M. City did with the Etihad. That deal was £400m over 10 years, I think about 10 years ago. Therefore it wouldn’t be stretching it to say it represented fair market value for VP. Then FFP is gone for good and Jack stays. Because they've changed the rules. There is now a cap on how much you can get for stadium sponsorship. Don't have the figure to hand, but istr it could be as low as 3 or 4 million. Check the FFP thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, privateer said: Er, no, that is patently untrue. If you said no Champ player is worth a £40m fee to another Champ club you might get agreement on that. Premiership players of £40m are commonplace now so if a Prem club wants to buy a player to play in the Prem then the rate is Prem rate. He has two years in his contract, has had one and half seasons of consistent form in a lower league. Premier league players are going for 30_40m. There is absolute lu no chance we are getting 40m fir him. That is dreamland way of thinking. if we get a offer of 28m-30m I think we will sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 We don't need to sell. We don't have to meet Spurs half way. If 40m is our price and there's no chsnce of getting it, good. **** off then. Why so many have decided that 40m is beyond reason I'll never know. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: He has two years in his contract, has had one and half seasons of consistent form in a lower league. Premier league players are going for 30_40m. There is absolute lu no chance we are getting 40m fir him. That is dreamland way of thinking. if we get a offer of 28m-30m I think we will sell Well, you've got me convinced. He's not worth a Prem team buying yet, he's neither good enough or presenting good value. So, he stays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Made In Aston said: I think us fans sometimes put too much emphasis on individual players. It's a team game and 1 player isn't going to make the difference between promotion and not. Grealish contributed 3 goals last season and didn't assist many more. If we got 30m for him we can clear the shackles of FFP and maybe buy a couple of young stars who will turn us a profit in the future. This is probably more use to us going forward than hanging onto Grealish. Its a tricky one. There is a lot that goes on in a game, before the princely goal is scored. I understand your point and am not opposed to it, but players who can run with the ball and keep control are very expensive and hard to find. I agree with your point of the goals return, in order to move up the ladder he has to add goals to his game. I also agree with your point that it is a team game and if our other players could dominate the ball like Jack, we would be flying up. The big burning question is and always has been ......are we well equipped enough as a club that when we sell players, we can buy better. I knew a time when that was so, in the last 10 years we haven't and I am not sure we have turned that corner yet either. We are where we are in the main, because we have bought players that have offered us in general less than the ones who have left. Edited August 3, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welsh_Villan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I hope there’s another contract lined up if he is staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 47 minutes ago, TRO said: Its a tricky one. There is a lot that goes on in a game, before the princely goal is scored. I understand your point and am not opposed to it, but players who can run with the ball and keep control are very expensive and hard to find. I agree with your point of the goals return, in order to move up the ladder he has to add goals to his game.. I see this a lot but must admit I think it’s overdone. He’s not a goal scorer. In largely poor sides his tally so far is a goal every 9 games, approx. Darren Anderton, every 8. Steve Macmannamanaman du du de du du mana mana du du di du - 7 Ginola and Giggs - 6 Waddle and Mersin - 5. Now there are mitigating factors and alternative slants one could put on these stats, but they are true. Each of those players ( in my view) was in some ways similar to Jack - ALL played, for the majority of their careers, in far far better teams than Jack has. Hes scored 14 goals in 125 odd games - had he scored just 4 more he’d be level with Mac a.m. So' yes, a shade more goals, but not essential in my humble opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, privateer said: Well, you've got me convinced. He's not worth a Prem team buying yet, he's neither good enough or presenting good value. So, he stays Let's continue this discussion when transfer window closes next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Exactly. Name me the stand out player that got Cardiff promoted. Joe Bennett 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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