GENTLEMAN Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Dick said: All it does is punishes fans. Clubs should be taken from the owners if they cause issues. Agreed.... ....but how would the legality of this work? Perhaps a 50+1 rule or similar should be implemented like Germany. Until then we all remain at the mercy of an owner’s whim. Look at what would happen to Chelsea if Abramovich pulled the plug for instance. However there is too much capital at stake at the moment. Maybe it will change in the future. The massive commercialisation of English football has eroded the link between club and community. Again compare Budesliga. Sorry for the OT Edited August 1, 2018 by GENTLEMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Spurs now linked to Lewis Cook for £30m. The papers are struggling even more than normal to try and maintain any credibility this year. Nobody is going to believe that shite rumour, especially as they have completely ignored the Daniel Levy factor when making up a price tag. Besides, Grealish is worth £100m if Lewis Cook is worth £30m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 1, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Spurs now linked to Lewis Cook for £30m. The papers are struggling even more than normal to try and maintain any credibility this year. Nobody is going to believe that shite rumour, especially as they have completely ignored the Daniel Levy factor when making up a price tag. Besides, Grealish is worth £100m if Lewis Cook is worth £30m. They have been linked to Cook for a while now, most (Spurs fans) believe it was just a way of flushing us out to accepting a lower offer for Jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 hours ago, GENTLEMAN said: Agreed.... ....but how would the legality of this work? Perhaps a 50+1 rule or similar should be implemented like Germany. Until then we all remain at the mercy of an owner’s whim. Look at what would happen to Chelsea if Abramovich pulled the plug for instance. However there is too much capital at stake at the moment. Maybe it will change in the future. The massive commercialisation of English football has eroded the link between club and community. Again compare Budesliga. Sorry for the OT I suppose the governing bodies could allocate supporters rights and avenues of inquiry like that of smaller stakeholders, I forget the terminology but basically there are a number of legalities which ensure smaller stakeholders are privy to information and are a part of the decision making process, despite not having the final say. There is also legislation that is meant to protect the club or business from board members acting against the interests of the organisation that they represent. There's different constitution for different countries and I can't remember if it was the U.S or UK which predominantly employs the safeguards for smaller shareholders but i think it's the UK. I posted a small book on supporter based ownership in the 'Time For A Takeover Thread' which has done extensive research on the subject, finding that there's a lot of benefits to this kind of structure. That book led me on to a bit of research regarding the legal side of club ownership. It was quite interesting. Back on topic. Interesting stance @TheStagMan and one I can definitely align myself with. The club's shown good faith in him and his abilities. Whilst he's young and has gone through certain rites of passage that weren't so becoming of a professional athlete, which is entirely understandable, he has only really paid dues for half a season or so. I've been disappointed at the departure of players but never begrudge them, that's not why I'm involved in football, that's me though and I hope Grealish has a similar mindset to you Mark and is considering what kind of legacy he wants to leave VP with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Bob Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: There are other ways round this FFP stuff as we have discovered and it does not depend on Jack leaving as many assume it does. *Teams are not aloud to make a loss of £13m a season or £39m+ over 3 seasons in which it's measured. Our FFP so far is around -£45/£46m I believe? So we are looking at needing to raise atleast £6m+ to bring the deficit down to be within the comply zone so to speak. (If I have this wrong then feel free to put me right). So in essence we do not need to sell Jack to rescue FFP as some folk assume. It seems hyperbole stirred up nonsense coiniciding with the London toilet rolls and Twitter pantomimes in unsettling Jack. A few of the deadwood off the books and we will be absolutely fine FFP wise. The thing is that we've lost on average €22 million per season the last two years. This year we will get even less parachute payments, meaning we need to imrpove our financial results by £30 millions this season, with lower income. So we don't need to raise just £6 millions. That's what we need as profit.. But we need to improve by much, much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 He's not going anywhere now. In January, there may be an evaluation of where we are in the league and how likely it is looking that we are getting out of this division. And, if we're on track I think he will stay then too. If we are struggling, then he may go but otherwise, I think he'll stay. Basically, as long as we are improving and he is improving. He will stay a Villa player. He loves this team and will be the focal point of the side for a long time, as long as we are at a level or on a way towards a level of his ability. Yes, you may say he is already above a level we are at, but this season hasn't started yet and last season we were closest to being promoted you can be without getting promoted. He will want Villa to succeed as much as any Villa fan does and would love to be an integral part to our resurgence. "Yes, I agree with the above." See? He even says it himself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 hours ago, jacketspuds said: Spurs now linked to Lewis Cook for £30m. The papers are struggling even more than normal to try and maintain any credibility this year. Yeah, and suddenly now it emerges that Chelsea are apparantly in to hijack the deal and are hoping to sign Jack! I guess with Hazard "supposedly" on his way out they are lining up Jack as his replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, 8pints said: He's not going anywhere now. In January, there may be an evaluation of where we are in the league and how likely it is looking that we are getting out of this division. And, if we're on track I think he will stay then too. If we are struggling, then he may go but otherwise, I think he'll stay. Basically, as long as we are improving and he is improving. He will stay a Villa player. He loves this team and will be the focal point of the side for a long time, as long as we are at a level or on a way towards a level of his ability. Yes, you may say he is already above a level we are at, but this season hasn't started yet and last season we were closest to being promoted you can be without getting promoted. He will want Villa to succeed as much as any Villa fan does and would love to be an integral part to our resurgence. "Yes, I agree with the above." See? He even says it himself. Great post 8pints. Nail and head. Edited August 2, 2018 by AvfcRigo82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 @GENTLEMAN https://supporters-direct.org/assets/media/articleFiles/file-6WtseCMVPbuu.pdf 50 pages. Definitely worth a look if you're interested in supporter ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Ahhh the plot moistens rumours chelsea to hijack the move with a bid of.......£20m Quote CHELSEA are ready to hijack Jack Grealish’s move to Tottenham. The Blues want to snatch the Aston Villa forward from under the noses of their rivals. And the £20million move will get the seal of approval from Chelsea legend John Terry after Grealish impressed him at Villa Park last season. A Villa source said: “The new owners do not need to sell players but are aware of Financial Fair Play next season, which is out of their hands.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Chelsea would need to give us a few players on top of the £20m to get Grealish at this late stage. I do like the quote that says we don't need to sell, but might need to based on FFP. Good arse covering there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Does our transfer door SLAM shut at the same time as the Premier leagues SLAMMING door? 5PM tomorrow is it not? Needs to get a wriggle on ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 5pm next Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 6 hours ago, 8pints said: He's not going anywhere now. I'm not sure how you can be so certain of this. It would be very surprising to me if he was still here this season. For £30m he's an absolute bargain in today's market. The top clubs in the premier league should be queuing up for him at that price plus the fact that he's English so would count as a homegrown player. Also as soon as he starts playing in the premier league he'll be in the England squad which would double his value straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 We can still loan players up until the end of August but no permanent deals after next Thursday. So, all in all, Thursday means nothing to us from a buying perspective as we are likely only loaning but it is very significant in terms of sales! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, jacketspuds said: Chelsea would need to give us a few players on top of the £20m to get Grealish at this late stage. I do like the quote that says we don't need to sell, but might need to based on FFP. Good arse covering there. Chelsea (or Spurs) will have to sweeten their 20 million bid with another 20 million! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Interview from Chester suggests he could go ... presumably it comes down to if we receive the right bid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) FWIW the spurs ITK that previously said the deal was dead is now saying that we are back in talks again, but still miles apart with the finances. I wouldnt be moved but it seems the whole board trust his knowledge as gospel, much more so than the others. I fear this could be a last minute panic deal from them which would wreck our season. We have to insert penalties for a deadline day bid, surely? Edited August 2, 2018 by Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 20 hours ago, hippo said: Realistically £25m+ and he can go - if he wants too . We can't offer champions league, PL football , or England selections - hell we might only be an average championship side ! - JG has glittering career ahead of him - but he is also one bad tackle away from it being all over...... Disagree. You want comparisons, Norwich sold Maddison to a lesser club for 25mill than Spurs or Chelsea. In that sense Grealish is worth min 40mill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Interview from Chester suggests he could go ... presumably it comes down to if we receive the right bid ? What did he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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