Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted July 19, 2018 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2018 I'd have Grealish over Sessegnon, Maddison and pretty much any of the Wolves midfield - Neves and Sessegnon are very good and it's close, but Grealish is better. Grealish this year has been head and shoulders above any other player I've seen in the Championship. I think he'll go to Spurs and thrive. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: 50 games per year, champions league & playing for their countries? Not quite how I remembered it Coutinho sealed his move to Liverpool at the age Jack is potentially going to seal his move to Tottenham, Coutniho played 30 games and had around 5 goals. Silva did not emark upon the Premier League until the age of 25. At Jack's age he was not contributing a large number of goals. Jack was 18 when he had his first full season in the Prem. It has been touted that Jack will play for England soon enough, and the point of comparison is that I am in line with that thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'd have Grealish over Sessegnon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: Not quite how I remembered it Coutinho sealed his move to Liverpool at the age Jack is potentially going to seal his move to Tottenham, Coutniho played 30 games and had around 5 goals. Silva did not emark upon the Premier League until the age of 25. At Jack's age he was not contributing a large number of goals. Jack was 18 when he had his first full season in the Prem. It has been touted that Jack will play for England soon enough, and the point of comparison is that I am in line with that thinking. OK as i am a bit bored tonight.... Coutinho was 20 years & 7 months old when he joined liverpool, He moved to a completely different country with a different language. Grealish is 23 in 2 months time. In all the numbers below cup games are included In the 13 games he played for liverpool that season he scored 3 & got 7 assists. His total for the year including the games played for inter were 32 games played, 6 goals, 8 assists. Age 21 he played 37, scored 5 & got 7 assists Age 22 he played 52 games including 6 in europe, 8 goals, 6 assists He also made 11 appearances for Brazil in this time Silva may not have joined the premier league until he was 21 but 07/08 when he was 20 he played 50 games for valencia including 8 champions league games scoring 7 with 11 assists Age 21 he had a bad injuty that kept him out for half the season but still managed 6 goals & 8 assists in 27 games Age 22 40 games, 10 goals, 11 assists He also played 20 times for spain in this period Both of these players stats are in the top leagues in their country Grealish was born in September so would have been one of the older kids in every age range compared to silva (jan) & coutinho (june) and would have been 4-9 months older than each of them going into every new season Grealish Age 20 played 21, goals 1, assists 2 Age 21 (championship) p34, goals 5 assists 5 Age 22 (chamiponship) p34, goals 3 assists 8 If Grealish had these stats in the top division maybe the lack of goals/assists doesn't look quite so bad but they are for a team that had a bigger budget, had more international players & spent more money than most of the other teams in the division combined. Grealish stands out for us because he runs at players and it's exciting but it's rare anything comes from these runs, He may aswell have just passed it back to Hutton and have him hoof it down the pitch to nobody. Edited July 19, 2018 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: Grealish stands out for us because he runs at players and it's exciting but it's rare anything comes from these runs, He may aswell have just passed it back to Hutton and have him hoof it down the pitch to nobody. You are Steve Bruce & I claim my $200 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 At least these dark days have produced a few solid laughs in the last page and a half of this thread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I give up, He a magical age changing genius that is better than Messi, Ronaldo, Coutinho,Neymar, Bale & Griezmann combined and is also better than all of them ever have been at any point in their lives. If George Best was still around I'm sure he would have constucted some giant shrine/mural and would be begging to tie up his laces for him. Barcelona don't need to worry about Iniesta going, The can just buy Grealish for 450 million. They won't even need to play with 11 players, Grealish and any other 4 in a 5-a side team would surely walk the spanish league. The 39 games in the championship he has played quite good in for the most part for a team that won sod all despite being the most expensive ever assembled has convinced me that he is truly world class and will be the England captain for the next 16 years and single handedly guide them to a haul of World cups & Euros. The person carving the names on the Ballon d'or may aswell just save themselves some time and retire now after engraving Jack Grealish on the trophy until the year 2034. Cant wait to regale the grankids withg tales of how priviliged i was to witness that time he came on as a sub for the last 4 minutes against Ipswich when we were already 2-0 up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: I give up, He a magical age changing genius that is better than Messi, Ronaldo, Coutinho,Neymar, Bale & Griezmann combined and is also better than all of them ever have been at any point in their lives. If George Best was still around I'm sure he would have constucted some giant shrine/mural and would be begging to tie up his laces for him. Barcelona don't need to worry about Iniesta going, The can just buy Grealish for 450 million. They won't even need to play with 11 players, Grealish and any other 4 in a 5-a side team would surely walk the spanish league. The 39 games in the championship he has played quite good in for the most part for a team that won sod all despite being the most expensive ever assembled has convinced me that he is truly world class and will be the England captain for the next 16 years and single handedly guide them to a haul of World cups & Euros. The person carving the names on the Ballon d'or may aswell just save themselves some time and retire now after engraving Jack Grealish on the trophy until the year 2034. Cant wait to regale the grankids withg tales of how priviliged i was to witness that time he came on as a sub for the last 4 minutes against Ipswich when we were already 2-0 up wow, wouldnt even know where to start so wow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: I give up, He a magical age changing genius that is better than Messi, Ronaldo, Coutinho,Neymar, Bale & Griezmann combined and is also better than all of them ever have been at any point in their lives. If George Best was still around I'm sure he would have constucted some giant shrine/mural and would be begging to tie up his laces for him. Barcelona don't need to worry about Iniesta going, The can just buy Grealish for 450 million. They won't even need to play with 11 players, Grealish and any other 4 in a 5-a side team would surely walk the spanish league. The 39 games in the championship he has played quite good in for the most part for a team that won sod all despite being the most expensive ever assembled has convinced me that he is truly world class and will be the England captain for the next 16 years and single handedly guide them to a haul of World cups & Euros. The person carving the names on the Ballon d'or may aswell just save themselves some time and retire now after engraving Jack Grealish on the trophy until the year 2034. Cant wait to regale the grankids withg tales of how priviliged i was to witness that time he came on as a sub for the last 4 minutes against Ipswich when we were already 2-0 up So you're saying he's a bit shit then? Which is what I said you kinda meant and you called me on it! Make your mind up fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: OK as i am a bit bored tonight.... Coutinho was 20 years & 7 months old when he joined liverpool, He moved to a completely different country with a different language. Grealish is 23 in 2 months time. In all the numbers below cup games are included In the 13 games he played for liverpool that season he scored 3 & got 7 assists. His total for the year including the games played for inter were 32 games played, 6 goals, 8 assists. Age 21 he played 37, scored 5 & got 7 assists Age 22 he played 52 games including 6 in europe, 8 goals, 6 assists He also made 11 appearances for Brazil in this time Silva may not have joined the premier league until he was 21 but 07/08 when he was 20 he played 50 games for valencia including 8 champions league games scoring 7 with 11 assists Age 21 he had a bad injuty that kept him out for half the season but still managed 6 goals & 8 assists in 27 games Age 22 40 games, 10 goals, 11 assists He also played 20 times for spain in this period Both of these players stats are in the top leagues in their country Grealish was born in September so would have been one of the older kids in every age range compared to silva (jan) & coutinho (june) and would have been 4-9 months older than each of them going into every new season Grealish Age 20 played 21, goals 1, assists 2 Age 21 (championship) p34, goals 5 assists 5 Age 22 (chamiponship) p34, goals 3 assists 8 If Grealish had these stats in the top division maybe the lack of goals/assists doesn't look quite so bad but they are for a team that had a bigger budget, had more international players & spent more money than most of the other teams in the division combined. Grealish stands out for us because he runs at players and it's exciting but it's rare anything comes from these runs, He may aswell have just passed it back to Hutton and have him hoof it down the pitch to nobody. While I think you've done a pretty good job at discrediting my original statements merit I'm going to highlight a few flaws in yours. David Silva was not 21 when he joined the PL, he was 25, 24 maybe. You are correct on Coutinho, however you fail to highlight the fact that prior to Liverpool he barely featured for Inter Milan. Jack had over 30 games in the Premier League when Coutinho was playing less than that for Inter. Another thing, you quite rightly highlight the selection for national sides, both arguably harder to crack in to than England, and the Champions League performances. What you don't mention is that both Coutinho and Silva played in leagues where a large portion of the competition is of the level you try and discredit Jack for playing at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I will draw another comparison: Luka Modric, if memory serves correct, and I'm quite confident it does, Luka was Jack's age when he sealed his move to Tottenham. Modric had just scored 17 goals for Dinamo Zagreb in the season before, something Jack has not achieved, still, the point is only to highlight that all three players, indisputably world class players, were gaining recognition and finding their feet on the world stage at the age Jack finds himself at. If you paid any attention to Jack's performances beyond what the stats say, you will have seen a player who, if he emulates what he did in the Championship to the PL, is a player bound for the top level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LakotaDakota said: I give up, He a magical age changing genius that is better than Messi, Ronaldo, Coutinho,Neymar, Bale & Griezmann combined and is also better than all of them ever have been at any point in their lives. If George Best was still around I'm sure he would have constucted some giant shrine/mural and would be begging to tie up his laces for him. Barcelona don't need to worry about Iniesta going, The can just buy Grealish for 450 million. They won't even need to play with 11 players, Grealish and any other 4 in a 5-a side team would surely walk the spanish league. The 39 games in the championship he has played quite good in for the most part for a team that won sod all despite being the most expensive ever assembled has convinced me that he is truly world class and will be the England captain for the next 16 years and single handedly guide them to a haul of World cups & Euros. The person carving the names on the Ballon d'or may aswell just save themselves some time and retire now after engraving Jack Grealish on the trophy until the year 2034. Cant wait to regale the grankids withg tales of how priviliged i was to witness that time he came on as a sub for the last 4 minutes against Ipswich when we were already 2-0 up Good lord. EDIT: I have to add - even though I suspect you're going to feel plenty embarrassed about this post tomorrow morning regardless of what anyone says - it's really pretty lame mischaracterising what people have said in a manner like this. Nowhere in this thread has anyone said anything that could remotely be glossed as any of this. Literally the most fulsome praise he's received is that he's a better footballer than Dele Alli, a claim I don't agree with, but come on. Edited July 19, 2018 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 19, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2018 We're comparing him to Modric, Silva and Coutinho. I think that tells a story. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I'd have Grealish over Sessegnon, Maddison and pretty much any of the Wolves midfield - Neves and Sessegnon are very good and it's close, but Grealish is better. Grealish this year has been head and shoulders above any other player I've seen in the Championship. I think he'll go to Spurs and thrive. I liked this comment until your final sentence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvfcRigo82 Posted July 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: I give up, He a magical age changing genius that is better than Messi, Ronaldo, Coutinho,Neymar, Bale & Griezmann combined and is also better than all of them ever have been at any point in their lives. If George Best was still around I'm sure he would have constucted some giant shrine/mural and would be begging to tie up his laces for him. Barcelona don't need to worry about Iniesta going, The can just buy Grealish for 450 million. They won't even need to play with 11 players, Grealish and any other 4 in a 5-a side team would surely walk the spanish league. The 39 games in the championship he has played quite good in for the most part for a team that won sod all despite being the most expensive ever assembled has convinced me that he is truly world class and will be the England captain for the next 16 years and single handedly guide them to a haul of World cups & Euros. The person carving the names on the Ballon d'or may aswell just save themselves some time and retire now after engraving Jack Grealish on the trophy until the year 2034. Cant wait to regale the grankids withg tales of how priviliged i was to witness that time he came on as a sub for the last 4 minutes against Ipswich when we were already 2-0 up You really don't like Jack Grealish do you. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrDuck Posted July 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2018 Some people's obsession with statistics is pretty tragic. I mean Gabby is our top PL scorer, ergo our best striker in the PL era, yeah? Watch Grealish for 5 minutes and you can tell he's an incredibly gifted footballer, on another level from most players in terms of skill. Watch him for a month or two in 2018 and you can see that he's now good enough all round to play for one of the top teams. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I heard that at the Kiddy game, he said he wants to stay...is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 13 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: If the stats shown above were for Lansbury/Adomah/Hourihane/Snodgrass/Anyone else who plays in our midfield you would all say that they are shit/not good enough. When he plays we get significantly less points per game than when he doesn't. His goal scoring record is truly abysmal and he doesn't create many chances. As a midfielder that is his job, Running around and getting tackled/giving the ball away doesn't help us at all. I don't disagree that he gives us something completely different than the boring pass it sideways & backwards we are so used to and it's great to see him running at players, Ultimately hardly anything comes from these runs though. That's not how stats work. You really attributing those points averages solely to Jack playing or not...out of the countless other variables? Seriously this is Con/Michael18 level analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2018 Lies, damn lies and statistics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tom13 said: I heard that at the Kiddy game, he said he wants to stay...is that true? He want's to stay, but unfortunately we have a 40m black hole in regards to FFP and he is the most saleable asset we have so ultimately we have to sell him. The decision has been made to sell him whether he likes it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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