Talldarkandransome Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Marka Ragnos said: It is very sad, the reality it it. Seems a massive waste of lives and resources for so little, really. The Titanic wreck just doesn't seem all that interesting even. If they were going down to examine the Holy Grail or an underwater temple built by extraterrestrials or a city of living merpeople, I could understand. To some folk the Titanic is the holy grail, I'd probably prefer the underwater temple built by Aliens though. As as soon as the sea level drops sufficiently I shall wander around looking for one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 At what point when your partner says they are taking your 19 year old son 4 miles underwater in a bodge job sub do you put your foot down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: At what point when your partner says they are taking your 19 year old son 4 miles underwater in a bodge job sub do you put your foot down. Heartbreaking, really. So young. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Although VT is obviously pretty well-qualified when it comes to submersible design, James Cameron knows even more than we do about it. Here’s what he’s got to say about the disaster - basically, there’s no excuse for disasters like this happening these days. Interesting little interview, I didn’t realise that it was such a solved problem these days (assuming you’re not trying to cut corners to save money). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 This arrogant guy killed his own son in effect. I've just had a boy myself and can't stop thinking about this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Xela said: Least it would have been quick. 4,000 tonnes per square metre of pressure. So like this then except its 4000 tons not 150 and it all happened in less than a quarter of a millisecond? Physics really can be terrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: This arrogant guy killed his own son in effect. I've just had a boy myself and can't stop thinking about this one. Edited June 22, 2023 by Follyfoot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, Xela said: Least it would have been quick. 4,000 tonnes per square metre of pressure. Yeah, if you're going to die in a sub<something> that's the way to go. They'd be dead before they knew it. The alternative was days of fear and then waiting to see if hypothermia or CO2 poisoning kills you first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: This arrogant guy killed his own son in effect. I've just had a boy myself and can't stop thinking about this one. Could have been the sons idea/wish and the dad agreed as long as he was with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 The chat about recovering bodies seems highly optimistic to me. Just not remotely possible is it. Even if they weren't splattered to bits you aren't going to find them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Makes for horrific reading given what almost certainly happened. https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-david-lochridge-safety-concerns-sacked-oceangate-stockton-rush-hamish-harding/ Quote In a 2018 lawsuit, David Lochridge—who began working as OceanGate’s director of marine operations in 2015—alleged that he was sacked after pointing out to the company that the submersible had not been built or tested to suitable safety standards, potentially putting passengers “milliseconds from implosion.” Lochridge, a qualified submarine pilot and underwater inspector with “extensive experience,” was trained to “recognize flaws and points of failure in subsea equipment,” he said in court filings seen by Fortune. Lochridge warned that the constant pressure on the Titan as it traveled deeper underwater would weaken any existing structural flaws, resulting in large tears to its carbon components. It was crucial, he said, to conduct non-destructive testing so that a solid and safe product could be provided for both passengers and crew. Diving the submersible “without any non-destructive testing to prove its integrity” would “subject passengers to potential extreme danger in an experimental submersible,” Lochridge said in legal documents. However, OceanGate allegedly told Lochridge that instead of carrying out the testing, it would install an acoustic monitoring system in the submersible to detect the start of any potential hull breakdown. Lochridge expressed concern that such an acoustic system would not be able to detect existing flaws. It would simply flag components that were about to fail, he warned—which often happened “milliseconds before an implosion.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, AshVilla said: So like this then except its 4000 tons not 150 and it all happened in less than a quarter of a millisecond? Physics really can be terrifying. i can't find it anymore but i saw a chart about what happens to things at certain depths. for example at a couple of hundred feet a champagne cork would be forced inside the bottle. at about 1000ft a skuba tank would implode. so imagine what happens at 4000 ft...you're dead within a second i know people theorised about dying from lack of oxygen being a peaceful experience, but this would've been quicker than a bullet to the head IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, tomav84 said: i can't find it anymore but i saw a chart about what happens to things at certain depths. for example at a couple of hundred feet a champagne cork would be forced inside the bottle. at about 1000ft a skuba tank would implode. so imagine what happens at 4000 ft...you're dead within a second i know people theorised about dying from lack of oxygen being a peaceful experience, but this would've been quicker than a bullet to the head IMO Unreal that creatures actually live down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Explosive decompression. They will be mist. NZ news show had interview with guy who warned against unregulated sub tourism explaining pressurized chamber and how if it was breached would be fatal event. Dumb news lady replies so did they run out of oxygen like was feared all week then the news panel after wonder about chances of recovering the bodies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Unreal that creatures actually live down there. Blue noses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Unreal that creatures actually live down there. A lot of them look like Haaland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Explosive decompression. They will be mist. NZ news show had interview with guy who warned against unregulated sub tourism explaining pressurized chamber and how if it was breached would be fatal event. Dumb news lady replies so did they run out of oxygen like was feared all week then the news panel after wonder about chances of recovering the bodies News readers gotta keep asking the hard hitting questions lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Designer1 Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Explosive decompression. They will be mist. Especially by their families. Edited June 22, 2023 by Designer1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Rodders said: The chat about recovering bodies seems highly optimistic to me. Just not remotely possible is it. Even if they weren't splattered to bits you aren't going to find them Yeah, there won’t be any bodies. They’re dust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2023 49 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Explosive decompression. They will be mist.... Isn't it actually the opposite of that? It's not de-comp, it's comp. Bodies aren't torn apart because they're mostly water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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