Pre-Match Thread Cup Final 3 of 10

[alreadyexists]

I think it’ll be a big fat draw… 1-1 I reckon

[tinker]

2 hours ago, GlobalVillan said:

I was replying to a post about Newcastle in a pre match Newcastle thread. That's what it's got to do with this game.

Newcastle have a thread all on there very own (you can discuss the owners on their) , this thread is a discussion on the game and how we are going to beat them on Saturday. 

[GlobalVillan]

6 minutes ago, tinker said:

Newcastle have a thread all on there very own (you can discuss the owners on their) , this thread is a discussion on the game and how we are going to beat them on Saturday. 

Yes boss. 

[OutByEaster?]

Isn't it nice to be arguing about whether our goalkeeper is the best in the world and sharing our bafflement on how Southgate picks a squad?

It's not that long ago we'd have been comparing the relative merits of Steve Harper and Brad Guzan*. I prefer it this way.

I'm always surprised by how little opposing fans rate Mings - he's had a terrific season and should be a fixture next to John Stones in the national side. Konsa should really be in those squads too - the effect good coaching and sensible systems is having on them is pronounced. The way we play means there's alway a chance of a calamity in playing out from the back, but we've been surprisingly error free on balance and these two, along with Luiz and (hopefully) Kamara are probably the strength of our side.

Not sure I agree on @TheFish's opinion on Wilson - can you fully support a player being in a joint side who doesn't get picked to start in just one of those teams?

My favourite thing about the Premier League at the moment is that I'd back both of these sides to beat Tottenham and we'll both be above Chelsea and Liverpool on Saturday night come what may - I think that's important. For all of the (not inconsequential) misgivings we may have on Newcastle's ownership group, they're an agent of change in this league and we're following them in - between the two of us, we might yet be able to make the top six of the Premier League an interesting place again.

I'd also add that I've only ever been treated well by Newcastle fans when I've visited and those who have suffered over years shouldn't be hated for enjoying their success, problems with the owners don't necessarily fall on the supporters and they've always been a decent enough bunch in my opinion. (In real life at least; online they're a tiny bit nutty).

Anyways, I can't wait for this one, should be a cracker.

*Guzan was obviously much better.

 

[Leeroy]

9 hours ago, TheFish said:

Pope

Trippier Schar Botman Moreno

Luiz Bruno Joelinton

Isak Wilson ASM

That might seem harsh or unbelievably biased, but that's honestly where I'm at.

Pope has more clean sheets, better save %, more sweeping actions etc. 

Schar has improved hugely under Howe. He's calm under pressure, good tenchnique, threat from set pieces, not just aerially, but he's got a good shot on him too, plus he has a wonderful range of passing. Every time I've seen Mings he looks like he's got a big mistake in him, like Lascelles does. 

Moreno beats our leftbacks because Targett hasn't been fit and Burn isn't a left back.

Coin toss between Kamara and Luiz, for me. They're both better than Longstaff/Willock, but neither are good enough to oust Bruno or Joelinton.

Front three speaks for itself. Watkins is in good form, but I'd have any of our lot over him. 

Yep quite clearly very biased there. No Martinez and Kamara in your team is just insane.

 

My team:

Martinez

Trippier Mings Botman Moreno

Luiz Kamara 

McGinn Bruno Isak

Watkins

 

My only issue is putting two left footed CBs but neither Schar or Konsa are great so have just put the two best CBs at each club. Diego Carlos and Botman might actually be the best though but Carlos has barely played this season.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Leeroy

[GlobalVillan]

40 minutes ago, Leeroy said:

Yep quite clearly very biased there. No Martinez and Kamara in your team is just insane.

 

My team:

Martinez

Trippier Mings Botman Moreno

Luiz Kamara 

McGinn Bruno Isak

Watkins

 

My only issue is putting two left footed CBs but neither Schar or Konsa are great so have just put the two best CBs at each club. Diego Carlos and Botman might actually be the best though but Carlos has barely played this season.

No point even replying to that as he's clearly on a wind up.

Joelinton over Kamara lololol.

The crack must be strong up in Newcastle if he isn't trolling.

Kamara is 10 times the player and its laughable to even put them in the same sentence.

His comment about Mings shows that he is either on a wind up or doesn't watch our games. 1 goal conceded from open play in 7 matches suggests Mings is a quality defender. And as fans, we know he is.

Edited April 13, 2023 by GlobalVillan

[bobzy]

11 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said:

No point even replying to that as he's clearly on a wind up.

Joelinton over Kamara lololol.

The crack must be strong up in Newcastle if he isn't trolling.

Kamara is 10 times the player and its laughable to even put them in the same sentence.

His comment about Mings shows that he is either on a wind up or doesn't watch our games. 1 goal conceded from open play in 7 matches suggests Mings is a quality defender. And as fans, we know he is.

FWIW, I think Joelinton is a big reason that Newcastle have been so successful this season. Very intense in his aggressive pressing in the middle of the pitch from what I’ve seen. 

[GlobalVillan]

1 minute ago, bobzy said:

FWIW, I think Joelinton is a big reason that Newcastle have been so successful this season. Very intense in his aggressive pressing in the middle of the pitch from what I’ve seen. 

Kamara is different gravy. 

[Villa87]

6 minutes ago, bobzy said:

FWIW, I think Joelinton is a big reason that Newcastle have been so successful this season. Very intense in his aggressive pressing in the middle of the pitch from what I’ve seen. 

I agree Joelinton has been phenomenal this season. Hoping a fully fit Kamara is good to go and compete against him on Saturday. 

[ferguson1]

Feels a bit like a clash of the titans outside of the Sky six etc, with both sides in good form recently and both eager to secure a European place.

Newcastle are a good side and have only lost three games so far this season, by comparison, we’ve lost eleven games. It’s going to be tough. However, under Emery I’m confident we can gain a positive result in any game. We’ll hopefully keep the ball well and break when the time is right. Patience is key.

Newcastle may even win the possession stakes here but I’m hoping we defend our box better and be more clinical.

Kamara being 100% fit is massive for us but unless he’s trained all week, I’d be reluctant to start him for this. I therefore don’t think he’ll start but may make the bench. Cash also.

 

                              Martinez

   Young       Konsa           Mings       Moreno

                 Dendoncker         Luiz

          McGinn                       Ramsey

                    Buendia       
                                   Watkins

Subs:  Olsen, Cash, Digne, Carlos, Chambers, Revan, Kamara, Traore, Duran 

This could either be a very cagey cat and mouse game, with a 1-0 win for either side or a crazy mad back and forth fight to the death that neither manager plans for? I’m going with a mad 2-2 draw.  UTV

[fightoffyour]

20 minutes ago, ferguson1 said:

                              Martinez

   Young       Konsa           Mings       Moreno

                 Dendoncker         Luiz

          McGinn                       Ramsey

                    Buendia       
                                   Watkins

Subs:  Olsen, Cash, Digne, Carlos, Chambers, Revan, Kamara, Traore, Duran 

Guimarães doesn't even make your bench! That will rile up the natives.

Edited April 13, 2023 by fightoffyour

[duke313]

20 minutes ago, ferguson1 said:

Feels a bit like a clash of the titans outside of the Sky six etc, with both sides in good form recently and both eager to secure a European place.

Newcastle are a good side and have only lost three games so far this season, by comparison, we’ve lost eleven games. It’s going to be tough. However, under Emery I’m confident we can gain a positive result in any game. We’ll hopefully keep the ball well and break when the time is right. Patience is key.

Newcastle may even win the possession stakes here but I’m hoping we defend our box better and be more clinical.

Kamara being 100% fit is massive for us but unless he’s trained all week, I’d be reluctant to start him for this. I therefore don’t think he’ll start but may make the bench. Cash also.

 

                              Martinez

   Young       Konsa           Mings       Moreno

                 Dendoncker         Luiz

          McGinn                       Ramsey

                    Buendia       
                                   Watkins

Subs:  Olsen, Cash, Digne, Carlos, Chambers, Revan, Kamara, Traore, Duran 

This could either be a very cagey cat and mouse game, with a 1-0 win for either side or a crazy mad back and forth fight to the death that neither manager plans for? I’m going with a mad 2-2 draw.  UTV

They have only lost 3, and are a tough team. But they have only won 15, which is only 1 more than us. They’ve drew 11 times. They’ve been given an aura of invincibility.

[VILLAMARV]

5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Not sure I agree on @TheFish's opinion on Wilson

Well, they do love a No. 9 up there.....

[GingerCollins29]

Martinez>Pope

Trippier>Cash/Young

Moreno>Burn

Mings>Schar

Botman>Konsa

Luiz>Guimares

Kamara>Joseph Linton

McGinn>Almiron

Ramsey>Willock

Isak>Buendia

Watkins>Wilson

Emery>Howe

 

 

 

 

[sheepyvillian]

Really looking forward to this one, just wish it was a later kick-off. Nothing would please me more than us beating this lot and wiping the smiles from those Saudi pimp bigots faces. 

I also love the fact Unai turned down the offer to manage them and instead chose us, that adds a bit of spice to an already tense important game. We certainly need to come out the blocks with more intent than what we did against Forest? As I said last week, we were far too pedestrian at times especially in the first half. It's no use choosing to attack the Holte- End from the toss and being lacklustre, the whole point of that choice, one I don't like, is to create momentum from the first minute. 

I think we'll prevail, Ollie to score, be nice to see him get more than one. I'm going  to have a flutter, Ollie, fgs and a 2- 0 victory. "Come on me Babbys!

[ozvillafan]

Looking forward to this. I don't see it anything else than a draw and a cracking game.

Early kickoff is excellent too - that equates to a 9:30pm kick off down here. Might get some sleep for a change.

[TheFish]

12 hours ago, GlobalVillan said:

No point even replying to that as he's clearly on a wind up.

Joelinton over Kamara lololol.

The crack must be strong up in Newcastle if he isn't trolling.

Kamara is 10 times the player and its laughable to even put them in the same sentence.

His comment about Mings shows that he is either on a wind up or doesn't watch our games. 1 goal conceded from open play in 7 matches suggests Mings is a quality defender. And as fans, we know he is.

You misunderstood, it isn't Joelinton over Kamara, it's Luiz over Kamara, but like I said, that's a coin flip. It's Bruno over everyone, Joelinton + 1 of Luiz or Kamara.

Conceding 1 from open play in 7 doesn't necessarily mean that's down to your CB. More likely it's down to Emery's excellent coaching, and pragmatic system. I've only watched Mings on tv, or when we faced you under Gerrard or other previous managers, so yeah I may be being harsh. Too often though, I've seen him be poor positionally, or rash in the tackle or cocking up e.g. for Saka's when you faced Arsenal this season. I don't rate him that much at all. 

[Zhan_Zhuang]

Ah I thought @TheFish had stopped fishing....

 

 

 

[Follyfoot]

12 minutes ago, TheFish said:

You misunderstood, it isn't Joelinton over Kamara, it's Luiz over Kamara, but like I said, that's a coin flip. It's Bruno over everyone, Joelinton + 1 of Luiz or Kamara.

Conceding 1 from open play in 7 doesn't necessarily mean that's down to your CB. More likely it's down to Emery's excellent coaching, and pragmatic system. I've only watched Mings on tv, or when we faced you under Gerrard or other previous managers, so yeah I may be being harsh. Too often though, I've seen him be poor positionally, or rash in the tackle or cocking up e.g. for Saka's when you faced Arsenal this season. I don't rate him that much at all. 

I would stick the bearded fella of yours I saw outside the Yew Tree last year at VP in goal.  He must have been pushing 7ft and just as wide. Nowt would be able to fit past him 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Follyfoot

[bobzy]

11 minutes ago, TheFish said:

You misunderstood, it isn't Joelinton over Kamara, it's Luiz over Kamara, but like I said, that's a coin flip. It's Bruno over everyone, Joelinton + 1 of Luiz or Kamara.

Conceding 1 from open play in 7 doesn't necessarily mean that's down to your CB. More likely it's down to Emery's excellent coaching, and pragmatic system. I've only watched Mings on tv, or when we faced you under Gerrard or other previous managers, so yeah I may be being harsh. Too often though, I've seen him be poor positionally, or rash in the tackle or cocking up e.g. for Saka's when you faced Arsenal this season. I don't rate him that much at all. 

Yeah, that's true.  I don't think Newcastle's good defence is actually based on their defence either.