Steven Gerrard

[DaveAV1]

5 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

I get that but Purslow dosen't have that much power. If NSWE wanted to sack Gerrard there's no chance he could overrule them and refuse.

Think big issue is the owners are seemingly happy with the worldwide profile Gerrard brings to us so they're willing to put up with mediocre results longer than under DS. 

I think NSWE were happy with the profile bounce initially vs his limited coaching experience. But as with most things there’s a tipping point and I believe that point is close to being reached. 
 

Purslow I believe was the big factor in his arrival here and I think up to now has managed to swing the boardroom towards retaining him. How much of that is about Purslow backing his pal or his own personal arrogance I’m not sure but I think it’s damaging the club and that will reach a critical point, if it continues, pretty soon. 
 

You’re absolutely right though, the buck stops with NSWE and if they decide it’s time for SG to go then he’ll go. How much blame is attached to Purslow, for what at best has been a wasted 12 months, may also have some significance in the future with regards to his own  roll. 

[Zatman]

Has he actually increased our profile? I think this is another myth that we are now some elite media darling because we hired him

[a m ole]

1 minute ago, Zatman said:

Has he actually increased our profile? I think this is another myth that we are now some elite media darling because we hired him

If you want to look at it objectively, just imagine if you think Lampard has raised Everton’s ‘profile’.

[GingerCollins29]

3 hours ago, TRO said:

so far,.......................................................

I see your point, only 11 months i suppose

[a m ole]

Just now, GingerCollins29 said:

I see your point, only 11 months i suppose

I see a lot of them, commas too.

[AshVilla]

23 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said:

I see your point, only 11 months i suppose

He needs more time and another preseason.

Maybe then we can beat the likes of Bournemouth.

[VillaChris]

56 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

They will rely on him for guidance, being sensible business men. Unfortunately they've ended up taking the opinion of someone who gives jobs to his mates and doesn't have much of a clue about anything football wise. He's slithered his way in and it'll be very difficult to remove him now.

A loss to Forest is not enough to get rid of Gerrard. It will take the crowd really going for him against Chelsea and Brentford. Hopefully it happens. The longer he's here, the more time we're wasting.

We've already lost touch with Newcastle who were well behind us when he was appointed. I'd have to check but I presume we've spent more money than them as well. Maybe the tactical Chris Wood transfer would push them ahead of us.

I see it similar to where we were four years ago under Steve Bruce.

Just checked back and that 3-3 v Preston meant we had only lost once in 5 games but anyone with half a brain cell could see we were coming nowhere near promotion and we rolled the dice early and it just about paid off.

Of course it's different now but at least let's attempt to become a serious top 10 prem team again. With likes of Fulham and Bournemouth in top 10 of the table and regular top half teams like Wolves and Leicester both in current bad states we are wasting yet another opportunity to stake a claim.

[Tomaszk]

37 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Has he actually increased our profile? I think this is another myth that we are now some elite media darling because we hired him

He allowed us to sign Coutinho who no one else wanted.

[VillaChris]

37 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Has he actually increased our profile? I think this is another myth that we are now some elite media darling because we hired him

Probably more worldwide so perhaps helps with commercial metrics, same with signing Coutinho.

[It's Your Round]

1 hour ago, Zatman said:

Has he actually increased our profile? I think this is another myth that we are now some elite media darling because we hired him

He may have increased the attention on the club from casual observers, but I think that’s temporary. One thing I can say for sure is that he’s markedly decreased my interest in the club. I can barely bring myself to watch our games now

What would really increase our profile would be playing attractive football, winning games and finishing in the European places.

Edited October 8, 2022 by It's Your Round

[AntrimBlack]

He increased our profile when he joined us, but his profile and that of our club has been tarnished by his abject performance since then.

[sne]

1 minute ago, It's Your Round said:

He may have increased the attention on the club from casual observers, but I think that’s temporary. One thing I can say for sure is that he’s markedly decreased my interest in the club. I can barely bring myself to watch our games now

Same here.

These days I mainly come to on topic to get a good laugh (or cry) and leave some snarky remark. Can't wait for the season to be over as I don't have faith in Purslow to sack his buddy.

Season starts again IF we get a new manager. Until then I just hope we get enough points to not get relegated and that Gerrard isn't allowed to do any irreparable damage to the squad by alienating players that could be useful to the next manager.

[It's Your Round]

4 minutes ago, sne said:

Same here.

These days I mainly come to on topic to get a good laugh (or cry) and leave some snarky remark. Can't wait for the season to be over as I don't have faith in Purslow to sack his buddy.

Season starts again IF we get a new manager. Until then I just hope we get enough points to not get relegated and that Gerrard isn't allowed to do any irreparable damage to the squad by alienating players that could be useful to the next manager.

It’s really sad that so many fans feel this way. 
 

Your last point is an important one, and the reason I want him out now. We had such a good feeling around the club which is disappearing fast. 

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

48 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

He allowed us to sign Coutinho who no one else wanted.

You really think " no one else " wanted Coutinho? Lol

More likely they never wanted him at the wages he commanded, but to straight up say no one wanted him just can't be accurate.

Wasn't he at Bayern on loan the season before where he actually did ok as well?

I think he also had the option to go elsewhere before we made his offer permanent.

[It's Your Round]

4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

You really think " no one else " wanted Coutinho? Lol

More likely they never wanted him at the wages he commanded, but to straight up say no one wanted him just can't be accurate.

Wasn't he at Bayern on loan the season before where he actually did ok as well?

I think he also had the option to go elsewhere before we made his offer permanent.

I’d be interested to see how Coutinho performs under a proper manager. He might work well in a decent system.

[ender4]

3 hours ago, TRO said:

These things take time.....but I will almost guarantee you now.......If Ollie and Danny could find their shooting boots, from now, the landscape would change....

half these , fanciful claims would disappear......and we could get back to gradual improvement and sensible growth.

We are wallowing in self pity and negativity, due to the poor start.....and we are doing ourselves a disservice.

watch UTV podcast, it might, throw a bit of positivity, your way.

Leeds is not an easy place to go, and yet some are treating the place, with no respect......we should have won, we should have beat Man city too.....but we need to have more respect for what is trying to be done too.

There are no easy games.....and yet the disrespect is already gaining momentum, for Nottingham Forest, we are like spoilt kids.

If we win, it will be well deserved.

What? He’s been here a year!  We’re not upset with a poor start, we are upset with a whole year of absolute garbage.

[Paul33]

Rumours of talks with Steve Bruce gathering a lot of pace now !

[VillaParkAvenue]

7 hours ago, TRO said:

Its funny isn't it, when games are won systems are rarely mentioned?

We hear all the time about Pep’s and Klopp’s respective systems, and Conte’s and Potter’s. The media love to discuss successful systems.

There’s a lot less talk about Gerrard’s system however, probably because it’s difficult to even identify it.

[TheAuthority]

2 hours ago, sne said:

Gerrard isn't allowed to do any irreparable damage to the squad by alienating players that could be useful to the next manager.

This for me. If the Bournemouth performance wasn't so abject it was obvious he wanted Tyrone Mings out. (and before anyone says anything, him being "injured" is a load of bs that only got mentioned well after the dust had settled.)

[TheAuthority]

I just can't get over the fact that there was such a feel good factor around the club that has now essentially dissolved. I was honestly prepared to get relegated under Deano (the 2 out of 3 seasons he struggled in the PL) because he gave us our club back after the Lerner/Tom Fox/Garde/Eric Black/Tony Xia misery.

I think losing ROL obviously led to some coaching issues last season and Craig Shakespeare seemed to institute a long ball game as if he had Vardy up front. Plus Watkins seemed to be completely distracted (baby?) and hasn't pushed on after his good season.

But now we are here with a seemingly clueless, snippy bloke in charge who is performing worse than Smith with better players and the fans connection to the club has dissapated.

It's so sad

Edited October 9, 2022 by TheAuthority