Brighton

[a m ole]

9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I think Potter maybe suffers a little bit from the Wenger thing of really fancying slight, technical attacking midfielders, and then when it works it looks great, but if it doesn't it's all nice touches near the centre circle and no penetration. Yesterday they started with Gross, Moder, Lallana and Trossard, who seem to me to be 4 versions of basically the same player. They also brought on Mac Allister, another similar one to that type.

I don't really understand the deal with Maupay. If he's good enough, why doesn't he get more game time, when he clearly offers something different? And if he isn't good enough, rather than trying to play with two false nines, wouldn't they be better off with a forward who they do actually rate?

Don’t forget Solly March

[bannedfromHandV]

They came for a draw and almost got it, had they gone for the win a bit more it would have been a much more open game more than likely.

[Keyblade]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

I think Potter maybe suffers a little bit from the Wenger thing of really fancying slight, technical attacking midfielders, and then when it works it looks great, but if it doesn't it's all nice touches near the centre circle and no penetration. Yesterday they started with Gross, Moder, Lallana and Trossard, who seem to me to be 4 versions of basically the same player. They also brought on Mac Allister, another similar one to that type.

I don't really understand the deal with Maupay. If he's good enough, why doesn't he get more game time, when he clearly offers something different? And if he isn't good enough, rather than trying to play with two false nines, wouldn't they be better off with a forward who they do actually rate?

It also doesn't really work when everyone of them (apart from Trossard) are like 6.5/10 PL players. They would probably crush the Championship like this though. 

[HanoiVillan]

3 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

It also doesn't really work when everyone of them (apart from Trossard) are like 6.5/10 PL players. They would probably crush the Championship like this though. 

Agree, though I actually thought Moder was the pick of their creators yesterday. Haven't seen masses of him though so don't know how good he is.

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

22 hours ago, lexicon said:

Anyone else glad we didn't go for Potter now? 

I wanted us to go for him but yesterday was pretty boring. They were excellent at times in terms of organisation, discipline and the ability to win the ball back - but there was very little creativity or magic in that side. 

Here's a question.

If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? 

Edited November 22, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[Zatman]

5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Here's a question.

If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? 

Potter isnt a budget manager. He has resources as well. Lallana is probably paid more than any of our players 

[Steero113]

Just now, Zatman said:

Potter isnt a budget manager. He has resources as well. Lallana is probably paid more than any of our players 

He's on £90k a week (Ings is on £120k) but I agree, people make out as if Potter is at Burnley. 

[Peter Griffin]

2 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Here's a question.

If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? 

It will be interesting to see Brighton next season if they do buy a decent striker. There is no doubt they play a nice brand of football and are quite good at it. If Potter is as good as some think he could be then a good strike force should make them a really tidy PL team

[The Fun Factory]

18 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

It will be interesting to see Brighton next season if they do buy a decent striker. There is no doubt they play a nice brand of football and are quite good at it. If Potter is as good as some think he could be then a good strike force should make them a really tidy PL team

He isn't and they will come about 16th.

[HKP90]

13 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

He isn't and they will come about 16th.

If that’s the case he needs to move on.

[weedman]

11 minutes ago, HKP90 said:

If that’s the case he needs to move on.

The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. 

It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them

[NurembergVillan]

27 minutes ago, weedman said:

The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. 

It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them

Watching from high up in the stand right on the halfway line on Saturday, for at least the first 30 minutes Brighton were largely just passing side to side along their flat back five.

After that they seemed to switch flanks more quickly and aim for the wingback on the opposite side, which brought them some success.

We addressed that at half time to nullify the threat and Brighton reverted to the drab, unimaginative shite they'd adopted at the start of the game.

[Vive_La_Villa]

32 minutes ago, weedman said:

The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. 

It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them

Exactly this! It’s acceptable for Brighton but for clubs trying to push on the fans would never tolerate it. 
 

Believe it or not we used to have very good possession stats under Garde.

[Vive_La_Villa]

4 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Here's a question.

If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? 

It’s a good question. Brighton are very well coached and extremely organised but they don’t create a massive amount of big chances in games were teams are a little more defensive. That’s not because they haven’t got the players, it’s more a case of not really getting too many players in the box. They don’t take too many chances. 

[HKP90]

1 hour ago, weedman said:

The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. 

It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them

That may be true so far this year. Last year they had huge xG so they were getting in good attacking areas. They are admitedly down this year, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that defensive football is characteristic of Potters sides in general.

[Keyblade]

3 hours ago, Peter Griffin said:

It will be interesting to see Brighton next season if they do buy a decent striker. There is no doubt they play a nice brand of football and are quite good at it. If Potter is as good as some think he could be then a good strike force should make them a really tidy PL team

They bought Maupay for 20m and are probably paying Danny Welbeck 60k/week, it's not like they're still rocking Glenn Murray up front or their version of Keinan Davis. If they're not good enough then that's on Brighton and Potter for signing them.

[sne]

So are Brighton bigged up a lot in English media or why are we making out as if it was a big thing us beating them at home? It's Brighton, it's a team we should beat.

[Davkaus]

7 minutes ago, sne said:

So are Brighton bigged up a lot in English media or why are we making out as if it was a big thing us beating them at home? It's Brighton, it's a team we should beat.

There were about 10 places and 7 points between us in the table.

It's not some grand giant killing, but "should" beat them is a bit of a stretch based on the first 11 games

[Peter Griffin]

18 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

They bought Maupay for 20m and are probably paying Danny Welbeck 60k/week, it's not like they're still rocking Glenn Murray up front or their version of Keinan Davis. If they're not good enough then that's on Brighton and Potter for signing them.

The money is not the point though, we paid 22m for Wes and he has scored, I think, 5 goals for us. If they don't have the quality playing up front they are not going to score goals.  

[Peter Griffin]

18 minutes ago, sne said:

So are Brighton bigged up a lot in English media or why are we making out as if it was a big thing us beating them at home? It's Brighton, it's a team we should beat.

Maybe it is because we are not in the habit of taking 3 points from teams we are expected to.