Villan_of_oz Posted November 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Tom13 said: The random hatred he gets is ridiculous. I don't think it's hatred, certainly not from me... I just think I've seen enough set pieces through his tenure to wonder what he does, but wtf do I know it could've been the players not executing or Stevie's shitty football. I wanted him gone because I didn't see what he brought to the table. If he is being kept around under UE that's good enough for me. I will do what I do for every new manager and give them and their staff my whole hearted support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 It'll be interesting to see what percentage of our goals are scored and what goals we concede as a result of set pieces, compared to the Pre-MacPhee season..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Made In Aston said: If you have a job as a set piece coach then everything to do with set pieces comes under your remit. That isn't true as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 14 hours ago, ChesterDad said: Is it really hatred ? I think not - for me it’s just a general apathy about our set pieces and the fact, we have a so called expert overseeing this aspect of the game and we see very little at all to get excited about Do we really even need to ask this question anymore? Can you mute certain words on here? I'll take out 'hate' and 'ceiling' to start with and continue muting any fashionable phrase currently doing the rounds that devalues language. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 There's clearly a reason he stays and somehow survives the cull. Hopefully this becomes clearer, because it is a mystery at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, AvonVillain said: Do we really even need to ask this question anymore? Can you mute certain words on here? I'll take out 'hate' and 'ceiling' to start with and continue muting any fashionable phrase currently doing the rounds that devalues language. I’m totally with you on this bro - no hate from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 18 hours ago, villa4europe said: The stats don't back that up though, not even close, I Googled it and apart from Luiz and stanislas it's hard to see who else has done it in 20 years of PL football, Luiz has 1 PL goal 1 cup goal and hit the post from one its more than rare its special If you look at the top 5 most successful corner takers in the league last season JWP was top with 48% won by a team mate, mount was 5th with 29% 40% don't clear the 1st man, 10% lead to a shot on goal, 3% lead to a goal Maybe not in games no - I don’t really see many teams trying to score direct from a corner, but I’m reasonably confident you can see this at training grounds up and down the country on a daily basis. It’s an innate skill and not one I imagine is drilled too often. I feel it falls more likely under the same category as say the crossbar challenge. Anyway I’m losing sight of the point now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2022 we've seen a couple of quirky little things lately that wouldn't surprise me if they've come from mcphee's head...the ash young pen fakeout and then emi assisting with the wall today. i could be misplacing credit, but it's the sort of originality i'd expect from a set piece specialist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NeilS Posted November 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2022 Interesting little insight of McPhee from Cutler. Cutler on McPhee At Villa, we've got a very good, detailed set-piece coach (in MacPhee)," he said. "He’s got TrackMan (a radar system first used in golf that uses Doppler technology to track a ball in motion), he’s got his own analyst, and the detail they go into at set pieces is phenomenal. "So they're doing all this detail, (in training) the players are doing the free-kicks it's hitting the back of the net, scoring. There's some unbelievable set-piece takers like Buendia, Coutinho, Douglas Luiz. Phenomenal, talented players, but it's coming into games, and they're constantly hitting the wall. "I think it was at (Nottingham) Forest, and Steve Gerrard’s come in afterwards and gone. “What the x-? What the hell is going on, like?’ and the set-piece coach Austin’s getting it in the neck. ‘What are you doing? We’re doing all this work, we’ve got all this TrackMan, we’ve got everything, and you keep hitting the wall. It's a waste of time; we’re wasting our time,’ obviously frustrated. "So we come in the next day and have a meeting, and Austin’s like, ‘I can’t get my head around this,’ so he goes away and comes back, and he goes, ‘(it’s) the actual distance of the wall.'" After explaining that referees are only striding out 0.8 of a yard rather than a full one and often only eight instead the full ten, meaning that the actual distance between ball and wall can be as short as six or seven yards, Cutler continues. "So (MacPhee's) had a chat with the referees, and the referees now are actually bringing the wall back and making sure it is exactly 10 yards." After explaining that referees are only striding out 0.8 of a yard rather than a full one and often only eight instead the full ten, meaning that the actual distance between ball and wall can be as short as six or seven yards, Cutler continues. "So (MacPhee's) had a chat with the referees, and the referees now are actually bringing the wall back and making sure it is exactly 10 yards." 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, NeilS said: Interesting little insight of McPhee from Cutler. Cutler on McPhee At Villa, we've got a very good, detailed set-piece coach (in MacPhee)," he said. "He’s got TrackMan (a radar system first used in golf that uses Doppler technology to track a ball in motion), he’s got his own analyst, and the detail they go into at set pieces is phenomenal. "So they're doing all this detail, (in training) the players are doing the free-kicks it's hitting the back of the net, scoring. There's some unbelievable set-piece takers like Buendia, Coutinho, Douglas Luiz. Phenomenal, talented players, but it's coming into games, and they're constantly hitting the wall. "I think it was at (Nottingham) Forest, and Steve Gerrard’s come in afterwards and gone. “What the x-? What the hell is going on, like?’ and the set-piece coach Austin’s getting it in the neck. ‘What are you doing? We’re doing all this work, we’ve got all this TrackMan, we’ve got everything, and you keep hitting the wall. It's a waste of time; we’re wasting our time,’ obviously frustrated. "So we come in the next day and have a meeting, and Austin’s like, ‘I can’t get my head around this,’ so he goes away and comes back, and he goes, ‘(it’s) the actual distance of the wall.'" After explaining that referees are only striding out 0.8 of a yard rather than a full one and often only eight instead the full ten, meaning that the actual distance between ball and wall can be as short as six or seven yards, Cutler continues. "So (MacPhee's) had a chat with the referees, and the referees now are actually bringing the wall back and making sure it is exactly 10 yards." After explaining that referees are only striding out 0.8 of a yard rather than a full one and often only eight instead the full ten, meaning that the actual distance between ball and wall can be as short as six or seven yards, Cutler continues. "So (MacPhee's) had a chat with the referees, and the referees now are actually bringing the wall back and making sure it is exactly 10 yards." Apologies for sidetracking but how much of a bellend does Gerrard sound here. Tw@t. On topic - sounds like we need to start practicing with the wall a bit closer rather than hoping the referees actually do their job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted November 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 8, 2022 So when they pace the steps it depends how tall the ref is! Maybe he should get a tape measure to be sure! Also it depends on the make up of the wall those metal things all look the same size to me but you are going to have anything from 5.8 to 6.4 in a wall when it's a human. Also walls jump the metal guys do not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If he isn't adding anything, Emery will have him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Surely refs aren't routinely out by 2 or 3 yards on a wall?! These aren't Sunday league guys doing it for a bit of fun these are professionals at the top of their field, they can't just guess the distance, it can't be hard to accurately measure 10 yards then practice pacing it out before games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenfly Posted November 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, weedman said: Surely refs aren't routinely out by 2 or 3 yards on a wall?! These aren't Sunday league guys doing it for a bit of fun these are professionals at the top of their field, they can't just guess the distance, it can't be hard to accurately measure 10 yards then practice pacing it out before games Given how preposterous some of their decisions can be even with the help of VAR, I can absolutely believe they've been half-arsing this the entire time. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted November 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2022 Perfect that that's where the issues were for Gerrard. The fact we weren't scoring direct free-kicks. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaAlex Posted November 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, Tomaszk said: Perfect that that's where the issues were for Gerrard. The fact we weren't scoring direct free-kicks. Those moments of magic 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, NeilS said: Interesting little insight of McPhee from Cutler. Cutler on McPhee At Villa, we've got a very good, detailed set-piece coach (in MacPhee)," he said. "He’s got TrackMan (a radar system first used in golf that uses Doppler technology to track a ball in motion), he’s got his own analyst, and the detail they go into at set pieces is phenomenal. "So they're doing all this detail, (in training) the players are doing the free-kicks it's hitting the back of the net, scoring. There's some unbelievable set-piece takers like Buendia, Coutinho, Douglas Luiz. Phenomenal, talented players, but it's coming into games, and they're constantly hitting the wall. "I think it was at (Nottingham) Forest, and Steve Gerrard’s come in afterwards and gone. “What the x-? What the hell is going on, like?’ and the set-piece coach Austin’s getting it in the neck. ‘What are you doing? We’re doing all this work, we’ve got all this TrackMan, we’ve got everything, and you keep hitting the wall. It's a waste of time; we’re wasting our time,’ obviously frustrated. "So we come in the next day and have a meeting, and Austin’s like, ‘I can’t get my head around this,’ so he goes away and comes back, and he goes, ‘(it’s) the actual distance of the wall.'" After explaining that referees are only striding out 0.8 of a yard rather than a full one and often only eight instead the full ten, meaning that the actual distance between ball and wall can be as short as six or seven yards, Cutler continues. "So (MacPhee's) had a chat with the referees, and the referees now are actually bringing the wall back and making sure it is exactly 10 yards." After explaining that referees are only striding out 0.8 of a yard rather than a full one and often only eight instead the full ten, meaning that the actual distance between ball and wall can be as short as six or seven yards, Cutler continues. "So (MacPhee's) had a chat with the referees, and the referees now are actually bringing the wall back and making sure it is exactly 10 yards." Cheers for sharing this, find the detailed stuff fascinating. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, AV82 said: Apologies for sidetracking but how much of a bellend does Gerrard sound here. Tw@t. On topic - sounds like we need to start practicing with the wall a bit closer rather than hoping the referees actually do their job. Sums him up don't it. Quick to blame anyone without being intelligent enough to wonder why it's working on the training pitch but not in games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Perfect that that's where the issues were for Gerrard. The fact we weren't scoring direct free-kicks. It's why we started shooting from corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, S-Platt said: So when they pace the steps it depends how tall the ref is! Maybe he should get a tape measure to be sure! Also it depends on the make up of the wall those metal things all look the same size to me but you are going to have anything from 5.8 to 6.4 in a wall when it's a human. Also walls jump the metal guys do not! Presumably the the metal guys have an extra 12 inches? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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