Popular Post villanmac Posted October 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I find it hilarious that fans can decide that a set piece coach is " shit " based on players probably not being able to execute things properly. It's like saying an attacking coach is shit because Ollie can't finish. The fact that he keeps surviving regimes suggests he might have something about him. With what he has to work with hes doing a good job. We were 7th in the prem last season for goals from setpieces (with 12). When you consider Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal were top 3 in that stat (which i would argue is by virtue of dominating games and getting more opportunities) it isn't a bad outcome to be in top 4 of the rest. We were only 2 behind West Ham who had a total different profile of player to us. We were a lot worse when it came to conceding (14th) which makes sense as the innovation 'edge' is lot less defensively and its harder to work around having a team of players who struggle to jump when the winds blowing. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said: I haven’t checked this seasons. But last time I looked our numbers from set pieces were worse off since he arrived. First season he was here we had lots of fancy routines etc but I feel like that’s dried out Last season was his first season. Scored against Newcastle at home from a throw in routine, scored direct from corners Everton home, Man U away, Palace away, Man City home, Leicester home (twice), Everton away. That's 8 goals up to end of January; trying to think of any after that? Once Gerrard got his feet under the table, was MacPhee not allowed to be as creative as he might have been? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 I can't believe this guy has kept his job, even though our set pieces have been woeful. I mean he has one job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Just now, Made In Aston said: I can't believe this guy has kept his job, even though our set pieces have been woeful. I mean he has one job! Emery probably wants to 'try him out' and might be intrigued on what he offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Personally I can’t see what he does that sets him apart from other coaches? We look pretty average from set pieces to me, and with reference to scoring from a corner - isn’t this more about a player, than a coach ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest av1 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: we literally scored the first vs brentford a week ago from a well worked corner. why the hate from everyone? People obviously think we should be scoring from every set piece. Roberto Carlos is considered a free kick expert but only actually converted 4.2% of his attempts. It’s almost like people forget there is always an opposition as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, ChesterDad said: Personally I can’t see what he does that sets him apart from other coaches? We look pretty average from set pieces to me, and with reference to scoring from a corner - isn’t this more about a player, than a coach ? No disrespect mate but that sounds very much like ‘if we don’t score the set piece coach is shit, if we do score it’s only because of the players’ Bu that logic can we use the same reasoning for everyone at a football club, even the manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I find it hilarious that fans can decide that a set piece coach is " shit " based on players probably not being able to execute things properly. It's like saying an attacking coach is shit because Ollie can't finish. The fact that he keeps surviving regimes suggests he might have something about him. 40 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: I can't believe this guy has kept his job, even though our set pieces have been woeful. I mean he has one job! Around and around we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Despite all we've been through in the 12 years I've been on the site, the only hot topic after a 4-0 battering by Newcastle on a Monday night is the credentials of a set piece coach?! And the discussion about him now as the same as it's been on every single page. essentially people have no idea what he does. It's all just wild speculation and assumptions on his ability based on which bits of the assumptions you choose to cherry-pick. the only thing that matters to me is that he's here and that someone high up enough to make these calls wants him here. And separate to that, nobody high up enough in the decision making has enough sway and / or enough against this guy to get the club to relieve him of his duties. I think that says enough in itself. also my wild speculation - if Emery didn't want him he would be gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2022 He's always two or three moves ahead - very hard to sack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: how have Danks and Cutler gone?, but this plank gets to keep his job!? Because he has a clear role and nobody else in Emery’s team does what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Made In Aston said: I can't believe this guy has kept his job, even though our set pieces have been woeful. I mean he has one job! Was he allowed to do his job though?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 42 minutes ago, av1 said: People obviously think we should be scoring from every set piece. Roberto Carlos is considered a free kick expert but only actually converted 4.2% of his attempts. It’s almost like people forget there is always an opposition as well. Same mythology surrounds Ronaldo and free kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Made In Aston said: I can't believe this guy has kept his job, even though our set pieces have been woeful. I mean he has one job! tbf, the goal against Brentford was excellent. Also having Luiz shoot from corners is pretty genius. Players have under performed badly since he's been at the club too. So you can't blame him for some of their poor execution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBGB Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Undroppable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 51 minutes ago, av1 said: No disrespect mate but that sounds very much like ‘if we don’t score the set piece coach is shit, if we do score it’s only because of the players’ Bu that logic can we use the same reasoning for everyone at a football club, even the manager? With respect I was focussing on corners - and the fact that a player does not need any coaching to score directly from a corner kick - As for the rest of our set pieces, i for one find us just very average tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 minute ago, ChesterDad said: With respect I was focussing on corners - and the fact that a player does not need any coaching to score directly from a corner kick - As for the rest of our set pieces, i for one find us just very average tbh I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Essentially players don't need coaching for anything then. Shooting, passing, free kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Essentially players don't need coaching for anything then. Shooting, passing, free kicks With all due respect to you - that is also non sensical a good professional footballer will have the innate skill to score directly from a corner kick. Yes clearly with practice they will get better and more accurate, but what on earth would a set piece coach role be in this? Would a player not be able to practice this skill on their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 I'm convinced the people defending him don't actually watch us play. There's no way you could sit through our corners and free-kick routines and still think this guy is worth hanging on to. The shit I've seen is not worth the time wasted on the training ground, these players could definitely spontaneously come up with better all by themselves without wasting a coaching salary on this lad. Our most effective set piece routine has been Dougie scoring or trying to score from a corner. In terms of concept, not exactly rocket science is it; in terms of execution, a player either has the finesse or does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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